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Thanks, Anti-Vaxxers. You Just Brought Back Measles in NYC.
The Daily Beast ^ | March 13, 2014 | Russell Saunders

Posted on 03/17/2014 7:41:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Black Agnes

If our health care systems were saner, such issues would get worked out by the doctors and the markets. I’d gladly get a booster each year at my own expense if I knew I was high risk. People don’t complain that their headache pills don’t last their whole lives.

It sounds to me that a large dose of self righteousness and ingratitude is manifesting in the anti-vaccine people, and it is seen in how vigorously they damn the very scientists, flawed as they may be, which have made living to an old age very commonplace today.


141 posted on 03/18/2014 8:18:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: rlmorel

I do believe in voluntarism in vaccinations, because without the ability to choose there is little incentive for doctors and pharmaceutical houses to improve the attractiveness of vaccination protocols.

However I won’t spare my criticism of the relative ingratitude of a spoiled people. Beseech God for something better if it exists. But don’t forget God uses even doctors. They are custodians of the healing touch of heaven.


142 posted on 03/18/2014 8:24:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In order to get boosters for everything on the schedule recommended for adults you’d be parting with $500+ every year out of pocket.

The HPV series alone is over $600 per person.


143 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:09 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

A lot of this cost is in legal protections. People demand medicine to be as secure as Fort Knox. These same boosters are much cheaper overseas.


144 posted on 03/18/2014 8:28:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I do believe in voluntarism in vaccinations, because without the ability to choose there is little incentive for doctors and pharmaceutical houses to improve the attractiveness of vaccination protocols.”

You are aware that the entire vaccine industry has been indemnified. Moreover most vaccine components are sourced from China and India. What could possibly go wrong?


145 posted on 03/18/2014 8:28:34 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

People demanding security from medicine that they don’t even demand from their local hamburger joint (yet both go into their bodies) are a large part of the problem here. Indemnification happened because lawsuits from a spoiled people could not keep the industry viable any other way.


146 posted on 03/18/2014 8:30:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_heparin_adulteration

“The FDA has stated that it does not have the funds nor bear the responsibility to inspect on a regular basis overseas manufacturers of active pharmaceutical ingredients such as heparin.”


147 posted on 03/18/2014 8:34:37 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Pelham

SodiumEthylMercuriThyoSalicilate is a severe danger to the central nervous systems of infants due mostly to the mercury.

It is still used, in spite of the well broadcast lie.

Take your Mystery Babylon garbage and stuff it!
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148 posted on 03/18/2014 8:58:12 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rlmorel
>> “I find this response amazing, but I shouldn’t, because most of these people didn’t live through the cold fear of wondering if their beloved child was going to come down with some terrible and irreversible disease.” <<

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What a load of fear-mongering crap!

I had all of the so-called childhood diseases by the time I was six. Mumps, measles, chicken pox, whooping cough, and a few colds, and have never been seriously ill since.

I'm 69 years old, and have worked in highly contaminated environments on numerous occasions, doing the engineering for sewage treatment plant expansion, without the slightest worry.

I don't do doctors, so I stay healthy.
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149 posted on 03/18/2014 9:09:44 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: exDemMom

Considering some kids get encephalitis and side effects, even death after the vaccination, I’d say you’re both lucky.


150 posted on 03/18/2014 9:15:28 AM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, you might think it is fear mongering crap, and I don’t doubt that you are 69 years old and have worked in contaminated environments and all that, that’s fine.

If you don’t want to do doctors, that’s fine.

But to say it is fear mongering to point out that there were a lot of parents who were justifiably scared sick for the health and well being of their children, and that it was some kind of statist plot to get the camel’s nose in the tent for vaccinations, well...you are dead wrong, no offence.

And if we lived in a time where Yellow Fever and malaria were endemic in this country, or if we had a plague that was killing tens of thousands of otherwise healthy people, we would clamor for a cure, any kind of cure that would give us and our loved ones a chance to stay alive.

We live in a time where we haven’t had to worry about smallpox, bubonic plague, yellow fever, and so on. If we had a wave of smallpox roll through this country killing large numbers of people, the same people who are up in arms about vaccinations would change their tune, and quickly.


151 posted on 03/18/2014 9:30:00 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: rlmorel

Read up on epigenetics. Germline exposure that causes damage downstream. The initial exposure generation ‘seems fine’. The children/grandchildren/etc are messed up in an increasingly noticeable fashion. And to the naked eye it all looks ‘genetic’. But isn’t, strictly.


152 posted on 03/18/2014 9:32:43 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree. I think we ARE spoiled. We take clean running water for granted. Sewer systems for granted. Pest control for granted. Hell, we take clothing, air conditioning, heating, cars and food for granted.

You take away any one of these things, and that can be a vector for some very nasty things, the absence of which we take for granted.

Man, I sure hope I don’t live to see it, but I have a sneaking suspicion we will. But that makes me a fear mongerer to point that out to some.


153 posted on 03/18/2014 9:33:37 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: All

I’ve heard this bullsh*t from both sides all my adult life. Remember, in a FREE REPUBLIC we still have the right to choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate ourselves and our minor children. The low information voters expect the government to decide what is best for them. At some point in the future,they will accept mandatory vaccination and oversight by the government. Everyone knows its the best decision for the masses or is it?. You can still choose, so choose wisely after considering the facts.

As with any decisions, the outcome is not always guaranteed. To blindly assume that vaccinations will always prevent or eradicate a disease is totally erroneous. You can be vaccinated and still contract the disease. You can be vaccinated and never contract the disease. You can incur unexpected side-effects, some worse than the disease, from the vaccination. It’s like betting on the horses, the more you know, the better your chances are you have picked a winner. Either way, life is a gamble but choosing blindly should not be one of them.

Research the negative side effects of vaccination as well as the positive. Ask your doctor if his/her children were vaccinated and about what could possibly go wrong in either case. Ask if your childs immune system is healthy enough to undergo vaccination. Know that vaccination is giving your child a weakened form of the disease to develop an immunity to the disease for a period of time (not always a lifetime). Giving the disease to the child with an underdeveloped immune system might not be the right thing to do at this stage of development. Know that most children will develop an immunity either naturally or artificially (through vaccination) if their immune systems are healthy.

Yes, there are people that will not vaccinate their children because they believe it is in the best interest of their children not to do so. Some will not because of religious beliefs. Whichever the case, you must choose what is right for you and your children and then you must live with that choice.

Again remember, under a FREE REPUBLIC you can still choose for or against vaccination, but maybe not for much longer.


154 posted on 03/18/2014 9:56:57 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Black Agnes

Quite true, China is a problem.


155 posted on 03/18/2014 10:25:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: rlmorel

The point I hope to make is that these things are blessings of God and God bestows them for the “selfish” sake of His own glory.

Actually He isn’t “selfish” but He is jealous! And He has every right to be jealous. We want to be our own God and it always fails.


156 posted on 03/18/2014 10:27:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Take your Mystery Babylon garbage and stuff it!

Take your own advice, bud.

157 posted on 03/18/2014 10:29:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I have no Mystery Babylon garbage to stuff.

I eschew all pharmakia products.


158 posted on 03/18/2014 10:34:44 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Your theology is well documented to be garbage and probably borrows heavily from Mystery Babylon.


159 posted on 03/18/2014 10:35:55 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

to compare the two shows just what an idiot you are. seriously. if that’s your best comparison, it’s apples and bowling balls.


160 posted on 03/18/2014 11:25:01 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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