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What Pilots Think About The Crazy New Theory That The Missing Malaysia Jet Used Another Jet To Hide
Business Insider ^ | 3-17-2014 | Alex Davies

Posted on 03/17/2014 1:37:17 PM PDT by blam

What Pilots Think About The Crazy New Theory That The Missing Malaysia Jet Used Another Jet To Hide

Alex Davies
March 17, 2014

Not surprisingly, the disappearance of Malaysia Flight 370 with 239 people on board more than a week ago has led some people to come up with very interesting theories about what might have happened.

On his Tumblr, self-identified hobby pilot and aviation enthusiast Keith Ledgerwood put forward the most elaborate and interesting suggestion we've heard yet.

He argues the 777 could have flown over India and Pakistan, avoiding military radar detection by turning off its communications systems and following a Singapore Airlines 777 so closely the two aircraft "would have shown up as one single blip on the radar."

In the post, Ledgerwood established that the Singapore Airlines flight was in the area.

The collision avoidance systems installed on all modern airliners operate using the transponder, which someone on the Malaysia flight could have turned off. So the Singapore crew wouldn't have detected a plane on their tail, Ledgerwood speculates.

"Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan," Ledgerwood writes, "it would have been free to break off from the shadow of SIA68 and could have then flown a path to it’s final landing site."

We asked Michael G. Fortune, a retired pilot who now works as an aviation consultant and expert witness, if that would be possible. After a lengthy pause, he gave us a skeptical "maybe." It would depend on what kind of radar equipment the Singapore 777 had on board, he said, and would require some serious aviation skill to find and stay behind the plane.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airplane; conspiracytheory; hijack; iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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To: Neidermeyer
I put my money on China ,, they want those embedded processor engineers for what they know of the exact design changed demanded by the NSA

Wouldn't it be easier for China to grab them when they landed in Beijing? Make up something about them being spies, and sequester them in a room somewhere for a few weeks, til they had what they wanted?

121 posted on 03/17/2014 4:34:59 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: bopdowah
I have a friend who suggests that N. Korea or Iran could be looking to commercial jetliners to deliver their new-found nukes.

Doesn't Iran have the money to buy all the large commercial aircraft it could use, for that or any purpose? North Korea could even rustle up enough to buy a used jet. Peasants don't need to eat.

122 posted on 03/17/2014 4:38:38 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: Defiant

Easiest way:

Get them drunk at the bar, send them off with some hot gal and download everything in their laptop while the sucker is spilling his brains about how smart he is to the gal.


123 posted on 03/17/2014 4:49:48 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: RummyChick
One final puzzlement, then will stop my pings ... Am reading, somewhere else ... no link, of last contact with MH370 was five hours earlier than the news reports and Malaysian authoritative information. I do not know this to be a fact, nor do I know it to be untrue.
124 posted on 03/17/2014 4:56:12 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: blam

This scenario was portrayed in Neal Stephenson’s “Reamde” about 3 years ago.


125 posted on 03/17/2014 5:01:24 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: blam

Does the US not still operate the SOSUS systems? I would think that in that general area, we would have arrays operating that could pickup something as violent as a large aircraft impact. We would at least know if it hit the water or not. Am I making too many assumptions here? We’ve used them to pick up less dramatic events in the past...


126 posted on 03/17/2014 5:03:26 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: old curmudgeon

It didn’t stay at 45,000. The data say it went down rapidly to much lower levels, where cell phones were usable. Jamming? Possible. But I think this gives too much credit to the brain power of one guy-—which is about the only scenario that even remotely seems to fit outside of random accident, which I don’t fully rule out.


127 posted on 03/17/2014 5:05:45 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Star Traveler

Wasn’t at that altitude long. Remember? It came way down.


128 posted on 03/17/2014 5:06:06 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Cyber Liberty; All

A maneuver to SIMULATE mid air refueling, not the act of it.


129 posted on 03/17/2014 5:07:52 PM PDT by Spartan302
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To: LS

If this was a planned event, it wouldn’t be difficult for the planners to get that little toy, online, that disrupts cel phone reception. I also understand that some businesses employ this to block cell phone usage in certain areas.


130 posted on 03/17/2014 5:11:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Iron Munro
A practiced skill by today's fighter pilots, but they tend to do it with 10 to 20 thousand feet vertical separation directly on top of one another, and they also practice manipulating "Radar blind spots".
After all primary radar is "line of sight".
131 posted on 03/17/2014 5:17:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Aerial refueling is not possible.

But the same sort of precision flying would be needed, no?

Close enough to merge into one radar blip, but not close enough to collide.

132 posted on 03/17/2014 5:19:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Yosemitest
A practiced skill by today's fighter pilots, but they tend to do it with 10 to 20 thousand feet vertical separation directly on top of one another

That shouldn't work if the radar senses elevation. The Malaysian military radar supposedly had them flying above the 777's service ceiling.

133 posted on 03/17/2014 5:26:28 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: PGR88
What if the Singapore Air flight was delayed?

Why not just google it?

134 posted on 03/17/2014 5:32:56 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Yes. I missed the point. Yes it would. Does the Pilot or Copilot have military training?


135 posted on 03/17/2014 5:34:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: cynwoody
Ground Control Intercept Radar does, but normal Air Traffic Control Radar does NOT.
Then you have to know what you're doing when you tune it, and set it up.
Just a little off with your tuning and it doesn't work right.
136 posted on 03/17/2014 5:35:16 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: RummyChick; maggief

Rummy or Maggie

Have you read if the First Lady is still set travel to China. I am curious because if they cancel that trip it will indicate if they believe that plane is on the ground somewhere.


137 posted on 03/17/2014 5:49:13 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: FunkyZero

It is my opinion that ‘skunk works’ type operations knows exactly what is happening. If it landed, they’re looking at it right now. If it sank in the ocean, they know where.


138 posted on 03/17/2014 5:53:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: Robert Warren Linville

That was JFK,not LaGuardia.

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139 posted on 03/17/2014 5:58:41 PM PDT by Mears
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To: blam

Sort of like the Bandit driving the Trans-Am up into a truck trailer to elude Sheriff Justice.


140 posted on 03/17/2014 5:58:44 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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