Posted on 03/16/2014 7:38:45 PM PDT by MarMema
Ukraine’s acting president, Oleksander Turchynov, has accused Russian-supported forces in Crimea of “working on scenarios which are fully analogous with Abkhazia.” The notion that the “model” of Abkhazia from the 2008 Russia-Georgia war fits Russia’s moves in Crimea is a theme adopted by many media pundits, as well.
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No. Ya think? /s
Seriously how well I remember the plant fires in Lithuania and the many times Ukraine went cold, the pipeline to Georgia being mysteriously blown up just as the temps hit an all time low for that country.
That's his game of power, always has been.
It took me several years to see results.
Apparently you never had that opportunity.
And, I forgot to mention, some think the war in Syria is behind this as well. Freeing Europe from Putin’s bullying, that is.
Syria is one of the reasons Putin is anxious to keep his bases in Crimea, with his Syrian base at Tartus in jeopardy.
We are currently building some new gas compressing and LPG shipping terminals. I have not kept up with it for about 24 months, but we need to build faster to accommodate the increased demands that will come sure enough.
"On October 12, 2006, a major fire erupted in the plant around 2:30 pm."
"Suspicions were raised by various high-profile persons as to whether the fire was an accident, or industrial sabotage on the part of the Russian energy companies in revenge for not being offered to buy the company. Notably, perhaps, the vice-leader of the Russian Duma, Konstantin Kosachev had said that "instability will continue to plague the refinery until the Lithuanians finally realize which partners one should choose" only a few hours before the start of the blaze."
That’s simply not borne out. They have a need not to be attacked by Europe again. And that is what they perceive happening in Ukraine. EU and US funded rioters overthrew a government.
Remember it was only about a year ago that Russia evicted USAID and other NGOs because they were working to build political opposition inside Russia.
The other need they have is to make money and raise standards of living. Cold war fantasies will not give you a roadmap here.
Also,, if there is any pride element here, we stuck Kosovo and Serbia right up their wazzoo. That was the first time we let them know how the post USSR Russia would be treated. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t aware that they are now sticking Crimea and parts of Ukraine up the wests wazzoo. They aren’t above that, just to make a point.
"On 28 December 2009, the Slovakian government announced that Russia warned it would stop oil supplies to Slovakia, Hungary, and the Czech Republic over a transit price dispute with Ukraine."
Always these disputes in the middle of winter, of course.
IMO, not to change the topic here, Syria is all about natural gas. Period.
It’s a great point too. I only wish Klintoon would suffer from it.
I notice everything over there,, and I mean EVERYTHING has a lot of people “claiming” that what happened really means X.
The fact is, that in Euro/Russo energy games, there are so many players, so many corrupt governments and companies, and so much organized crime,,, that it’s meaningless to opine who probably did what without fairly conclusive evidence.
Explosion, was it mob? Was it someone who didn’t get to bid for the pipeline work, or for the gas to go into the line? Was it the owner of one pipeline taking out the opponents pipeline? Was it EU sponsored agitators working to start a color revolution, was it moslems? Or was it just a worn out and poorly maintained infrastructure experiencing entropy?
Was it Putin? Was it someone who opposes Putin and wants to frame him to try to take him down?
Conjecture over there is very sure to be wrong.
So glad I was not eating when I read that.
But you are absolutely right! We threaten them and split off countries, giving portions to scum criminals who make the new country into a wasteland with horrible effects on Europe.
Then we get all worked up about Crimea. As I said, it is blatant hypocrisy.
After they emboldened the Germans by agreeing to carve up Poland in the Non-Aggression Pact.
Ukraine refused to pay market price and wanted a heavily subsidized below market rate. (not very conservative)
The pipeline goes thru Ukraine to Eastern Europe.
How exactly do you cut off Ukraine for non payment without cutting off the flow further downline? And if you do not cut off Ukraine, how do you ever get them to pay?
Ask your local electric company why they don’t abandon disconnecting customers who refuse to pay, and instead try to collect with no threat of loss of power?
Gas Billionaire Julia Tymoshenko was the empress of Ukraine then.
Agreed ref Clinton and Syria being about gas. And interestingly, Loony tunes McCain is up to his eyeballs in both.
McCain never met a war he didn’t like.
I think of McCain in the White House, and I think of the scene in “The Dead Zone”....”The missiles are flying...Hallelujah...Hallelujah.”
You’re right. The bottom line for me, is that that whole mess of EU, Russia, and everything they do is very little business of ours.
My test is this.
“if the USA simply refused to be involved, would the EU do ANYTHING militarily?” If not, then why should we do so to ensure the gas supply to the EU?
the only question I have about McCain is who is paying him?
What were we to do, let them cut the damn thing six ways.. Give them Serbia. Like we did Eastern Germany?. Spoils of a war they did not fight at all this time....But that's exactly what they expected and they expected it because they got away with it before...So what did we get out of it? What do we ever get out of it? When have we got something out of it? When have we ever asked for something.??
The only person who ticked them off was Weasel Clark when he tried to prevent them from taking over a airport.
We have never attacked Russia. We have never done anything to them that they have not done to us. Even to include taking a few pot shots across the border with what was then East Germany. (I was there)
The Eastern block was dismantled at a time when Russia was weakened by the fall of the party apparatus.
They want it back. and then some.
But it will take time and the way they will do it is not by force, but through political and social means backed by force. What they must do would be the equivalent of Canada taking over the US. It can be done, but it has to be done skillfully. Or, Putin has to rebuild his military and his Navy and you need ports and places to put it all. Seems to me that he is doing both and as well as strengthening what he has now.
You forget that Putin was KGB. It's what he has done all of his life. fears are one thing, but every country in Europe has borders. So your defense is that they don't like what is on the other side of that border even though they are not being threatened. The only threat is that they are western friendly. What kind of reasonable assumption of a threat is that???
The fact is that your comments are exactly the same as those comment I have been hearing lately and none of it is based on anything that can be seen as a reasonable assumption of a threat by anyone against Russia. It's a excuse. It's agitprop. It's what Putin has been doing for years. It's not true..or reasonable or even a assumption. It's what they want the world to believe is true.
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