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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

An assertion on your part does not today and never has negated reality.
And the reality was that the Eurocrats were leading Ukraine down the steps to EU membership.

Nobody who was paying attention was suprised by the way things are unfolding. We pointed out how it would go.

Anyone who thought Europe could work to enviegle Ukraine into restrictive favored trade agreements (generally the first step if you watched the EU form) and have something different happen was Jimmy Carter stupid.

Some positions really can not elicit any other response except ridicule. When Europe started down this road they needed to have their own superpower military ready to counter Russia. That wouldn’t have created the possibility of a successful buff - Russia has to go to the mat on this - but it would have given Europe the option to go down that gory road if they chose to.


7 posted on 03/15/2014 3:52:31 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
An assertion on your part does not today and never has negated reality. And the reality was that the Eurocrats were leading Ukraine down the steps to EU membership.

Part of the whole appeal of that was in being forced to make anti-corruption reform as part of the joining process. Considering all the documented thievery of the Russian puppet and his mooks, it is obviously needed.

As for Putin, check out Eurasianism and men like Aleksandr Dugin. Putin's goal here is beyond a port, which is why his agents are already trying to provoke war in the eastern part of Ukraine. He wants the USSR back, not just one little port which he already had, and no one was threatening.

14 posted on 03/15/2014 5:29:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: MrEdd
You nailed it.

Russia wasn't going to end up begging the EU to continue their lease on those ports and bases down the road, or even begging a Ukraine elite fat on EU dollars and cozy with the Soros crowd.

After all, Porky Pig incarnate "gave" the Ukraine the Crimea (for PR only since he figured he'd always own the Ukraine anyway) in 1954 which ain't exactly ancient history.

The Crimea voted to be an autonomous part of the Ukraine now they're going to exercise that autonomy and vote themselves out of that affiliation and into the arms of Russia one way or another. If the Ukrainians want a lot of blood shed over the issue let them seriously fight and bleed for a while, then ask for help.

So far I've only seen the same sort of street actions that we all saw in Libya, Algeria, and Egypt, and it's clear that those were pumped up and funded by people outside of those countries. IMHO, so was what we've been seeing in the Ukraine only with the slightly different goal of expanding the EU instead of expanding the Caliphate.

15 posted on 03/15/2014 5:39:21 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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