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To: TitansAFC

I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 12:26:45 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

And ignoring social issues has led us to a government too big and a financial mess out of control. A decent and truthful and virtuous nation would not have let this happen.


10 posted on 03/15/2014 12:33:31 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Republicans should not bow down to social issues.
It should be Constitution, states rights and anti-progressivism.


11 posted on 03/15/2014 12:35:11 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Social issues are paramount to me. We can change financial issues. Social issues will be permanent.

I will never vote for anyone who supports “gay marriage” or abortion or atheists. I’ll stay home first.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 12:37:41 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; xzins
I don’t care much about social issues.

Then you are on the wrong forum. This website is pro-God, Pro-Guns, Pro-Life and Pro Traditional values.

The fact of the matter is that we are in this fiscal mess because America has turned from traditional social values.

You can't have a free country run by hedonists and solipsists.

18 posted on 03/15/2014 12:42:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Why there is nothing immoral about taxes and spending unless you see them as social issues. It’s merely a matter of what is in your own best interest in your short lifetime especially right this moment. How much can I get for my vote? My stingy boss wont give me a raise so Ill make Obama my boss and he’ll give it to me.


22 posted on 03/15/2014 12:49:33 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues.

But, like war, social issues certainly do care about you.

You WILL be dragged into the culture war, whether you know it or not, like it or not.

It's every bit a component of true conservatism as fiscal issues. If fact, they're indistinguishable at their core.

24 posted on 03/15/2014 12:50:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

When we are forced to pay for other peoples birth control, forced to subsidize women who have out of wedlock children those are not just social but fiscal issues. The two go together.


29 posted on 03/15/2014 12:54:34 PM PDT by what's up (su)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me.

You don't see how the two are inextricably joined together?
Homosexual "marriage" and all spousal benefits?
Transexuals in the military and the federal subsidizing of their surgeries?
Amnesty for illegal aliens?
The list goes on. You cannot be a "financial conservative" and not care about social issues because they are what is breaking (has broken) this country.
The government just cannot finance liberalism.

34 posted on 03/15/2014 1:02:28 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Rand Paul says to soften social issues. Rubio wants to soften amnesty
issues. McConnel and Bonehead want to spend like drunken sailors.
After all these GOPe’s soften issues conservatives hold dear, what will
be left to get conservatives to the polls? Not much.


35 posted on 03/15/2014 1:04:05 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Then you’d better start figuring out how you’re going to earn my vote. Because you won’t get it without a socially conservative underpinning.


40 posted on 03/15/2014 1:10:08 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Consenrvatives have been softening their position for 50 years.....it will never be enough


52 posted on 03/15/2014 1:30:55 PM PDT by BRL
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

His support for amnesty will bankrupt the country more than it already is


69 posted on 03/15/2014 2:06:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.

If it really interests you, then you need to learn how to win politically.

Voters decide, and social conservatives vote conservatively, social liberalism only leads to more big government, greedy, short range view, what's in it for me voting.

Social conservatives created this nation and it's economics, and it is the social liberal advances of the last 50 years that is making it impossible to maintain it.

70 posted on 03/15/2014 2:07:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

>> I don’t care much about social issues.

You care enough to mention it on a forum that spends quite a bit of time discussing social issues.

The argument could be made that Planned Parenthood is an effective, efficient abortion mill. This has financial value obviously omitting moral value.

The libertarian should certainly care about life in the womb, and be concerned about law that forces the citizens to service, sanction, and support homosexual behavior.


77 posted on 03/15/2014 2:14:41 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me.

I prefer not to live in a Sodom and Gamorrah just because it has a free market economy. And that free market economy would not last long in a immoral environment. We would be right back to crony capitalism and fascism.

82 posted on 03/15/2014 2:24:14 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Social and fiscal issues go hand in hand...

“You can’t be a fiscal Conservative and not be a social Conservative. A large part of the expanse of government is to make up for a dysfunctional society, because our culture is falling apart, the family is falling apart.” ~ Senator Jim DeMint


108 posted on 03/15/2014 4:44:14 PM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

When we’re on the verge of WW3 and there’s no jobs for the average person and the country’s falling apart, I don’t put social issues in first place. I know what I believe. I don’t demand that everyone believe like me.


129 posted on 03/15/2014 7:03:08 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.

Yep - the social issues are a diversion and a symptom, not a problem that can be effectively targeted. The Left knows this and the Right seems to have no idea. We will flail about and insist that a candidate has spittle flying from his lips, while ranting about how we need to take care of social issues, or he isn't pure enough in that regard. IOW, we demand qualities that are not going to be helpful if we want to move back toward a constitutional representative republic - the Left will continue to win as we attack the wrong targets.

160 posted on 03/16/2014 4:21:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

You could see this coming from the beginning of Paul’s run for the White House. He’s working the conservatives... to see what we will accept and what we won’t. Plus, how many of the Paulites he can count on. He punts and then backs off.. then punts again on something else. Testing.. testing... and he hopes to hit the jackpot.

I’m one of those absolutes... no grey areas... bending hasn’t worked in the past and certainly not now. McCain, Romney... both would not take obama on... and look where we are. Being nice to the left does NOT WORK!


181 posted on 03/16/2014 12:15:49 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; TitansAFC
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.

I'm quite socially conservative in my own life, but I think that politicians who thump on "social conservatism" and moral issues often sound like fools.

Imagine a Presidential candidate running on a campaign where he promises to fight adultery in the United States. You don't have to approve of adultery in the slightest to recognize that such a politician is a fool and a half, because it simply isn't the job of a President or any elected official to enforce marital fidelity. My eyes glaze over in much the same way when I hear some politician obsess over homosexuality or pot smokers. I don't "approve" of dope-heads or sodomy any more than I approve of adultery, but I also recognize that most of the time people thump on these issues as distractions from the sorts of things elected officials do and should have power over.

218 posted on 03/17/2014 8:27:30 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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