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To: chopperman
'Natural' means that you are naturally a citizen of just one country. 'Native' means your born on that soil. NBC and Dual Citizens are two exclusively separate sub-catagories of 'Native'.

My kids, from the instant of their birth were American citizens, Canadian citizens, and British citizens.

My wife was born in England, immigrated to Canada when she was 8, and became a Canadian citizen in her teens. After college, she accepted a position in the US, and became a US citizen after that - before our kids were born.

When she became a US citizen, she was told that the US does not recognize her other citizenships. She looked into whether she was required to renounce her other citizenships, and Great Britain, said she could not renounce it, and that she would always be British, and Canada basically said we don't care, you can, but you don't need to. Some people have the idea that when you become a naturalized US citizen, you renounce any other citizenship you have - that is incorrect. While you do need to take an oath of allegiance to the US, and renounce all foreign 'allegiances', they do not require you to renounce an citizenship(s) you currently have.

So, at the time of the kids births, she continued to be Canadian, and British, and because of that, the kids became Canadian, and British at the time of their births.

In order to be an NBC, it doesn't matter if you have dual, or in the case of my kids tri-citizenship, it's about how you got your American citizenship.

They became Canadian, and British, because those countries have written (positive) laws granting them citizenship. Therefore they became 'naturalized' citizens of Canada, and Great Britain at the time of their births. For their US citizenship, they required no positive law for their citizenship, and therefore were US citizens by natural law - ergo natural born Citizens.

An easy way to understand what a NBC is, is if you take away every law created by the government granting citizenship, the 14th Amendment, the Immigration and Naturalization Act, every piece of positive law - and you would still be a US citizen, then you are citizen by natural law, ergo an NBC.
40 posted on 03/14/2014 7:05:04 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: MMaschin
The purpose of having a 'Natural Born' clause for the Presidency was to minimize issues concerning divided loyalty.

Because of their parents citizenships, your kids could have those issues.

43 posted on 03/14/2014 7:41:50 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: MMaschin
Some people have the idea that when you become a naturalized US citizen, you renounce any other citizenship you have - that is incorrect. While you do need to take an oath of allegiance to the US, and renounce all foreign 'allegiances', they do not require you to renounce an citizenship(s) you currently have.
There is a subtle, key distinction at play here. Say a young British man moves to the USA and naturalizes to become an American after age eighteen. Shortly thereafter something like the Falkland Islands war breaks out and Britain starts impressing its young men into military service. Our young man then spends his two week vacation visiting his still British parents in England and is promptly issued a draft notice while on English soil. This is case number one.

Now consider another young man of the same age who also was born in England, but in this case his mother was American and divorced his British father to permanently move back to the USA with her infant son in tow. Young man number two is at birth a citizen of the USA, but he never formally renounces his equally strong (or stronger) British allegiance, so the USA recognizes that his British citizenship may legally apply while he is on British soil. Through his father's family connections, young man number two seeks out and finds work in England, moving there for an indefinite stay (but taking no official steps to change his citizenship status). Then the aforementioned war breaks out and he also is issued a draft notice for British military service.

From the U.S. government point of view, young man number one, who formally naturalized as an American, has sole allegiance to the USA, whereas young man number two does not. I contend that we, as a country, would consider the first young man, if forcibly impressed into the British military, to have been kidnapped and do everything within our power to get him back. For the second young man ... not so much. The best we would do is tell him that if he could somehow get his dual citizen derriere back on U.S. soil, we would consider him no longer under British jurisdiction and then protect him as one of our own (but only while on our own soil).

Any U.S. citizen for whom the the USA officially recognizes dual or multiple split allegiances is not considered to be a natural born Citizen. And once lost, natural born Citizenship status can never be regained.

52 posted on 03/14/2014 8:57:14 AM PDT by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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