Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: X-spurt
For all of us that must have just fell off the turnip wagon, please show any Constitutional evidence of this “positive” law. Don’t believe I have heard that term previously. Not looking for what you say it means, I would like references to the term’s use as it relates to the Constitution and specifically to NBC.

Sure.

Here are links to some online legal dictionary websites, I've included links to the definitions of both 'positive law' and 'natural law'.

Positive Law - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Positive+Law
Natural Law - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Natural+Law

Posiitive Law - http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/positive-law.html
Natural Law http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/natural-law.html

Positive Law - http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1552
Natural Law - http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1307

Positive Law - http://www.yourdictionary.com/positive-law
Natural Law - http://www.yourdictionary.com/natural-law

Positive Law - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_law
Natural Law - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

I've provided a number of links describing the legal definitions of both 'natural law' and 'positive law' - now what about 'natural born Citizen'.

First one of the rules for interpreting the Constitution is Verba intelligi ut aliquid operantur debent which means "words should be interpreted to give them some effect" - http://www.constitution.org/cons/prin_cons.htm. What this is saying is that EVERY word in the Constitution is there for a reason, and can not be ignored.

So, if we looks at the phrase 'natural born Citizen', what does each word mean? First, let look at 'Citizen'. That is fairly obvious, since the 'C' is capitalized, it is a proper noun, and they were talking about a specific type of citizen - a US citizen. The word 'born', is also obvious, and means at or from birth. But what about 'natural'? It needs to provide meaning.

Have you ever gone to a little league game, and seen a child that was much better that the rest, and someone said - "That boy is a natural born hitter!"? What did they mean? I interpret what was said (and I believe you probably do to) as, the child's ability to hit well was innate, and not something that he needed to be helped with by a coach.

Like the natural born hitter, who does not need the help of a coach to be a hitter, the natural born citizen, does not need the help of a man made (positive) law to be a citizen, he is innately a citizen through 'natural' law.
39 posted on 03/14/2014 6:47:29 AM PDT by MMaschin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies ]


To: MMaschin

This idea of natural law vs positive law makes little sense when applied to citizenship matters, as all political entities are created by men through laws. Therefore, all questions of citizenship of those political units MUST be determined by laws created by men who also create the political unit.

There can be no natural born citizen except one recognized by the laws of that political unit, so ALL citizenship is granted through laws.

This is different from ideas of free speech or self-defense, which do NOT require the existence of any political unit.


49 posted on 03/14/2014 8:30:48 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson