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To: chopperman
John Sidney "Crash" McCain, III, falls into the lower-right corner of your chart, having been born in Panama of US citizen parents.

Therefore, your chart is BS. Because, Crash, despite being a blithering RINO idiot, is Natural Born and fully qualified as far as the Constitution is concerned.

15 posted on 03/14/2014 12:22:10 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Some people on this thread are forgetting that the principle behind natural born Citizenship is continuous sole allegiance from birth. Ceremonial or honorary citizenship tribute or one-sided citizenship claims made by foreign countries that are not recognized as legitimate true citizenship by either the USA citizen in question or the USA itself are illegal and bogus as far as the USA is concerned and have no effect on sole citizenship. Imagine that because of some such ridiculous one-sided claim of citizenship, some foreign nation tried to impress one of our citizens into the service of its military. We would go (and indeed have gone) to war to stop such nonsense. That anyone would seriously bring up such drivel in an attempt to fabricate precedent to legitimize aka obama or other usurper wannabes just reeks of desperation and panic.

When an alien becomes a naturalized citizen, he or she must swear (more than once, if not mistaken) *sole* allegiance to the USA, their new country. This solemn oath legally breaks all bonds to any other country as far as the USA is concerned. It doesn’t matter what some other country still claims. Those born here to two such naturalized citizens become natural born Citizens and would be defended by our government as such, regardless of any ongoing claims from the former lands of the parents.

We as a nation started getting into trouble with split allegiances when automatic derivative citizenship through marriage was dropped in the early part of the last century as a misguided part of the effort to bring equality to women (since we are a dimorphic species, strict equality is an impossibility and nothing more than a leftist’s wet dream - but I digress). The point is that this perversion of citizenship status has led to the odd situation where the children of foreign born, naturalized citizens can be more purely American than the children of nominally American hybrids, even after several generations.

The cure to this nonsense is, of course, to require that all such split citizens swear an oath of sole allegiance to the USA upon reaching the age of majority or lose their citizenship altogether. This should have been part of the same law that dropped derivative citizenship.

McLame is a borderline case because, even though foreign born, he was very probably born with no conflicting allegiances, i.e., born free of USA recognized claims of Panamanian citizenship. If so, then I believe he would indeed be a natural born Citizen and fully eligible to be president.


18 posted on 03/14/2014 12:41:20 AM PDT by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: cynwoody

I believe that McCain claimed to have been born either on a base or the Canal at the time was an American territory or protectorate. I don’t think it was never challenged in court, but if it was, his lawyers would also have claimed ‘Plaintiff has no standing’.


21 posted on 03/14/2014 1:15:28 AM PDT by chopperman
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