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For Good Highways, Use Tolls and Ditch the Gasoline Tax
Townhall.com ^ | March 11, 2014 | Michael Barone

Posted on 03/11/2014 8:20:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 03/11/2014 8:20:10 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Mr. Barone has obviously never driven the Pennsylvania Turnpike


2 posted on 03/11/2014 8:21:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

The Barone article was already posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131963/posts


3 posted on 03/11/2014 8:25:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You beat me to it. Beyond the condition of the turnpike itself are the highly overpaid toll booth workers. Miserable people.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 8:25:45 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The Chicago toll road was supposed to only last as a toll road until the tolls paid for the road. That was a couple of decades ago, the tolls are still there.

Tolls create a new industry, toll collectors and toll management. Most money from tolls go to payroll and benefits, not the roads. This of course drives up the total cost of transportation by adding an unneeded layer of excessive costs.


5 posted on 03/11/2014 8:31:08 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: logic101.net

Ditto the Ohio Turnpike.

The bonds were paid off in 1989. The toll booths were supposed to come down at that point. They are still there.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 8:32:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

You will get the tolls and keep the gasoline tax.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 8:37:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Kaslin

The way the government works, they’ll bring back tolls and keep the gas tax ..... then you can sit in long lines at the toll booths and burn more gas, thus adding tax revenue. Of course, I’m sure the toll collectors needed will be unionized. What’s not to like? [snark ... or maybe that should be ‘snarl’]


8 posted on 03/11/2014 8:38:20 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: Kaslin

The gas tax is 18.4 cents a gallon. My car gets about 30 MPG, so the tax works out to .61 cents per mile, or 163 miles for each dollar of tax.

I live in New Jersey. The New Jersey Turnpike is supported by tolls. To drive from the Delaware Memorial Bridge to Exit 11 (my exit) costs me $7.25 for 90.6 miles, with works out to 8 cents per mile.

So the Turnpike Toll costs me 13.1 times as much as the gas tax!

I have no problem with usage fees instead of gas taxes... tomato/tomahto... But I got a big problem with a 1310% tax increase. And I suspect the usage fees are going to be a lot closer to the NJ Turnpike Tolls than are to the Gas Tax.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 8:39:24 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Kaslin

Tolls? Tolls? Are you kidding?


10 posted on 03/11/2014 8:41:08 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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Obama's solution in St. Paul -- "simplifying the tax code"...

Obozo's new simplified tax code will consist of two parts; Part one - How much did you make? Part two - Send it in.

11 posted on 03/11/2014 8:41:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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“Hey, how did you manage to get this Federal toll booth job?”

“I flunked out of TSA school, dude!”


12 posted on 03/11/2014 8:42:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

We actually lost our one toll booth in Atlanta. There was a toll plaza erected on i-400 to pay for it. It actually came down recently.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 8:43:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Toll roads are stupid. A gas tax has almost no additional employees where a toll requires a huge number of people. Toll roads are in better shape because the vast bureaucracy associated with regular roads and the relatively few miles of toll roads.


14 posted on 03/11/2014 8:44:14 AM PDT by poinq
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To: Buckeye McFrog
That's true, but it is also true that the Ohio Turnpike continues to be the best maintained, best run interstate in Ohio. ODOT is a miserable mess by comparison to the Turnpike Commission.
15 posted on 03/11/2014 8:45:59 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kaslin

This guy is full of it. Look at this:

“Per-mile tolling also would eliminate the use of federal gas tax funds for ancillary forms of transportation — subways, light rail, bike paths and trails — which have been gobbling up revenue needed for highways.”

Duh. Really? Ever think of this:

“Per-mile tolling also would enable the use of toll funds for ancillary forms of transportation — subways, light rail, bike paths and trails — which have been gobbling up revenue needed for highways.”


16 posted on 03/11/2014 8:46:56 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ditto the NY State Thruway, the bonds were paid off I believe in 1994.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 8:47:06 AM PDT by Fair Paul
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To: poinq

Simple (and expected) solution is to require that all vehicles be equipped with E-Z Pass. Then they simply set up transponders at intervals and tax you permile driven.

Already do that with MD-200 and they photo your license and send you a bill if you don’t have E-Z Pass.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 8:49:14 AM PDT by catman67
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“Computer-generated tolls are a superior form of user fee.”

Seems like a way for “the state” to track who goes where when.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 8:51:53 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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SWEET! Government tracking devices in all cars.

No thanks.


20 posted on 03/11/2014 8:52:26 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I miss you, dad.)
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