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Central Europeans want U.S. gas to cut dependence on Russia
Reuters ^ | Sat Mar 8, 2014 3:02pm EST | Jan Lopatka

Posted on 03/10/2014 12:20:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: SAJ

I will agree that ultimately, some NG exports and thus the massive infrastructures to do so will be built. But don’t you think that this is astoundingly risky if (as I understand it) fracking technology is largely unused outside of Germany? By that I mean, with fracking, we have discovered NG in dozens of places it was never suspected of being present. We both know the rabid depth of eco-freakishness in the EU, plus we know the resistance that is there for NG terminals in CONUS. So building same is likely a 5-year proposition. Meanwhile, sooner or later the Euros are likely to catch on to fracking and if you are an owner of facilities and ships on say the East Coast and NG is discovered in Europe in bulk, then overnight those facilities are surplus.


41 posted on 03/10/2014 3:07:26 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Dallas59; skeeter
Obama has already awarded 6 natural gas export permits, 5 in the GOM and one in MD. The first of these is supposed come online in 2015.

I thought it was all headed for Asia

42 posted on 03/10/2014 3:15:31 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
I daresay that future EU eco-freakishness will, very shortly, become a direct function of both winter temperatures and the availability of a sufficient supply of warm socks.

LNG terminals in the CONUS are increasingly less problematic than, say, in 2005. Further, they are NON-problematic in Emirates and Qatar, where (believe it or not) they are still flaring natty. Given those countries' resources, you don't really expect that they WON'T build LNG terminals, do you? As a side note, pls consider that the Persian Gulf is a far, far more weather-and-tide friendly locale for LNG terminals than is the Gulf, ne c'est pas?

As to Germany, what the devil does fracking (and/or the Germans' refusal to utilise this technique) have to do with the export/import of LNG to that besotted bunch of bozos in the so-called "EU"? Hmmm? The geologists that I read, just btw, consider the likelihood of finding enormous deposits of "frackable" natty (if I may use such a term) is, anywhere other than off the Portuguese coast and possibly the near North Sea, rather lower than Merkel winning any given beauty pageant.

43 posted on 03/10/2014 3:34:47 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“What a good enterprising US company should do is to offer to bring a several fracking rigs and poke some holes on spec until they find some damn natty in exchange for some decent royalty. “

The UK is sitting on about 400 years of natural gas reserves. Unfortunately, the majority of Britons believe that fraking causes earthquakes, pollution and probably hemorrhoids, too. Mention fraking and all these gnarled, old hippies show up to frighten the Brits back into their rabbit holes. Here’s one story about the initial discovery of the gas reserves:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2335163/Britains-new-Eldorado-Map-shows-massive-gas-deposits-self-sufficient-years.html

What can be said? Enjoy freezing in the dark...


44 posted on 03/10/2014 3:48:38 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
You've just provided me 100% of my personal natural gas knowledge base. Thanks for the info.

What makes nat gas a cheap easy fuel in petroleum producing countries makes it a precious expensive commodity in non-producing ones.

45 posted on 03/10/2014 7:06:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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“You are assuming there is sufficient excess capacity in the LNG tanker community to take on those 1500 trips per year. I highly doubt that.”

Not at the moment. But dozens are under construction:

“Currently there are orders for 94 LNG carriers
with delivery dates up to 2017”

http://www.brs-paris.com/annual/annual-2013/pdf/07-lng-a.pdf

And If demand grows, supply will follow.

“and Poland imported 11 billion cubic meters of natural gas, then one tanker will provide less than 1 percent of Poland's imports.”

But one ship should easily make ~15 deliveries a year, so that's ~15% of import with just one ship transporting LNG across Atlantic. Anyway, It's not about replacing Russian import totally for the whole EU or even for some of the members but about allowing the market of trans-Atlantic shipments to develop. Russia's share in EU’s import of crude oil is nearly the same as in case of natural gas but with several thousand of oil tankers in service, there's no way Russia can use it as a tool against Europe, before reserves are gone, other suppliers could increase production and tankers can be taken of the market to transport it. Natural gas is a different story at the moment and that's a problem.

46 posted on 03/11/2014 1:49:41 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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