[old and tired]

The Satmar feel that Israelis are sacrificing righteousness for sovereignty, when they should be happy to trade sovereignty for righteousness.

But then they need to stop accepting the welfare payments. Like the Amish in our country. The ultra-Orthodox are very much a fiscal drain on the Israeli coffers - at least that is what I hear from my American Jewish friends.

[wideawake]

The Satmar are one community among many. They frown on taking Israeli government money - how well each individual member does on this point is questionable.

Also the Amish are not as uniform on this point as some would like to think.

No community is as well-organized as they would like outsiders to think.