[PapaNew]

Yours is an either/or or serial argument. Mine is a both or concurrent argument. My argument is to fight the political ans spiritual battles on two different fronts but at the same time, kind of like the U.S versus Germany & Japan. Although Nazi Germany was what spurred Japan as part of the Axis to attack us, we would have been in trouble if we had waited to beat Germany first before turning our attention to Japan. And we didn't need to beat Germany first before beating japan. They were independent campaigns.

In the same way, I don't believe we have to have a spiritual awakening and renewal first before we cut government, but I think we'll need it to maintain limited government. We must work towards both - but if we don't do everything necessary to cut government now, we may not have a free country in which to have a spiritual renewal in.

[ansel12]

If you want to return to small limited government, then support the people who gave it to us, and who are fighting for it now, the conservatives, not the liberals and libertarians, they are the ones who took over in the 1960s.

Social liberalism creates, imports, and breeds, more democrat voters, and it even changes conservative voters and their offspring into ever more liberal voters, just look at how far left the nation has moved in 60 years, today, even conservatives are arguing about abortion and gay marriage, and a homosexual military, drugs, and porn, a weak military, and things that were inconceivable in the past.