Careful what you wish for.
Posted on 03/08/2014 12:05:27 PM PST by Fennie
SEVASTOPOL, UKRAINE - Dozens of military trucks transporting heavily armed soldiers rumbled over Crimea's rutted roads Saturday as Russia reinforced its armed presence on the disputed peninsula in the Black Sea. Moscow's foreign minister ruled out any dialogue with Ukraine's new authorities, whom he dismissed as the puppets of extremists.
The Russians have denied their armed forces are active in Crimea, but an Associated Press reporter trailed one military convoy Saturday afternoon from 40 kilometres west of Feodosia to a military airfield at Gvardeiskoe north of Simferopol, over which a Russian flag flew.
Some of the army green vehicles had Russian license plates and numbers indicating that they were from the Moscow region. Some towed mobile kitchens and what appeared to be mobile medical equipment.
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“Europe going there with their military to free the Ukraine”
Europen Union doesn’t have an army.
Only countries have one, and no one so far show any desire to send troops in Ukraine. No one is ready to die for Kiev.
“Is there any evidence that the base was in any danger?”
YES.
The far-right deputies in the puschists’ Ukrainian parliment proposed a law to abolish the treaty concerning the lease Russia has on Sebastopol military base in Crimea until 2042.
You kind of lose respect when you engage in overt chicanery. Where was Russia’s class here? It went down the drain.
Not that our Democrats have noses all that clean but at least they didn’t send the Hells Angels to Chicago to install a puppet mayor, he bought the election fair and square.
“But a Russian officer may blow Putin’s brains”
So might do an American officer to Obama.
I suppose you supported the guy who tried to blow Ronald Reagan’s brains...
You’re advocatig treason , are you not?
People like you should be kept in a straitjacket, in order to stop typing seditious posts on the internet.
Oh you’re weeping so much over what a ruthless country might do ruthlessly to itself. I’m not.
Crimea went fairly easily, and probably wouldn’t even have needed the strong-arming to declare independence and leave the Ukraine. It was odd man out there. But Russia still needs to learn how to spell “class” in Cyrillic. He who lives by the coup shouldn’t be surprised to die by the coup.
“Not that our Democrats have noses all that clean but at least they didn’t send the Hells Angels to Chicago to install a puppet mayor, he bought the election fair and square.”
Ha-ha.
They only send Nuland, McCain and Soros to put up a violent inssurection in order to depose a legitimate elected president and government in a foreign country!
Back in December 2013, at the time Victoria Nuland announced that the United States had invested $5 billion dollars to help Ukrainians achieve a new form of government, Senator John McCain met with national-socialist (nazi) Svoboda Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok, sharing the stage with him at an event during which McCain gave the United States’ blessing for the opposition revolt.
As recently as three weeks ago, Nuland met with both Tyahnybok and Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who is now Ukraine’s putschist Prime Minister. In a leaked phone conversation, Nuland was caught red-handed scheming to install Yatsenyuk in the government before President Viktor Yanukovych had even left Kiev!
US Sub-Secretary Victoria Nuland was setting up the “new” Maidan-putschist government of Ukraine, as proven in this phonecall with US ambassador to Kiev Geoffrey Pyatt ... NOOO, the US have nothing to do with the coup d’etat in Ukraine; who’s going to believe it, after listening to this conversation?
youtu.be/qv7qy7jot30
Washington was heavily meddling in the Ukrainian political crisis by manipulating the pro-EU opposition and helping it in its efforts to oust President Viktor Yanukovich.
It’s just disgusting , anyone who loves freedom should be shocked and appalled by the actions of the US and EU. Many people were killed by putschists on the place, demonstrators AND policemen, so that the US could install a puppet government whose primary aim will no doubt be to antagonise Russia / Putin.
The US was caught red-handed interfering into a sovereign nation’s government. the puppet PM Yatsenyuk sold out Ukraine to the USA. It is obvious from the conversation that Yatsenyuk talked to Nuland and the ambassador beforehand.
Hey Rooskie gal yeah you are pretty good at being bad.
It’s hard to blame Ukraine for getting irritated at a long overbearing Russia (raped it while part of the USSR) and striking a contrary pose. Washington’s political moves have been the very model of subtlety compared with this coup in broad daylight. Had Russia wooed Crimea, even supported electioneering, there might have been “moral equivalency” but no. They sent their biker gang in.
Russia continues to have the whole Frito-Lay factory on its shoulder, not just chips. God will not prosper that.
And besides, if McCain could help win an election in the Ukraine, then the opposition really was pretty pitiful. Ask Sarah Palin.
“Crimea went fairly easily”
Because the people of Crimea wants it!
Much more easily than Kosovo, when in 1999 NATO (meaning US) attacked a sovereign country Serbia , ignoring its territorial integrity and bombed it into smitherness for 80 days non-stop, ignoring its own principle of independence and sovereignity.
During the 80 days of the NATO bombings campaign, at least 2,500 people died and 12,500 were injured in Serbia.
The bombing damaged 25,000 houses and apartment buildings and destroyed 470 kilometres of roads and 600 kilometres of railway. 9,400 people were killed or went missing in Kosovo during the period of the NATO bombing, the majority of them Albanians.
How many bombs on Crimea? Zero.
How many buildings destroyed in Crimea? Zero.
How many people were killed in Crimea? Zero.
Drag in the completely unrelated Kosovo, and that was a pan-NATO move... typical of an obfuscating Rooskiette.
It would have been easy for Russia to have had class if Crimea really wanted to be independent.
Especially with Barack Obama a do-nothing. What’s he going to do, freeze a few assets that can be more than repaid with Russian oil money?
But no, Russia had to show what a punk it was.
Even China has more class. Why is it almost impossible to find Russian items for sale in the USA? They’ve been sulking in a corner while China has gotten busy doing something actually useful.
I am not Russian, not that it matters in a discussion.
What I’m saying is that the US cannot have it both ways: military intervention in Serbia and condemning Russia of military intervention in Crimea (where Russia can officially have 25,000 troops).
That was a pan-NATO move. Is it a kind of bear penis envy?
“Drag in the completely unrelated Kosovo”
I do because it created a precedent in international law!
US supported every secessionist group that wanted to break away from Yugoslavia, they bombed Yugoslavia, and they declared the Yugoslav Army to be an occupier on its own territory.
The Assembly of Kosovo, a province of Serbia, approved an unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia on 17 February 2008. Kosovo was soon recognized as a sovereign state by the United States, Turkey, Albania, Austria, Germany, Italy, France, the United Kingdom, and others ...
According to Russia Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov: “A precedent is objectively created not just for South Ossetia and Abkhazia but also for an estimated 200 territories around the world. If someone is allowed to do something, many others will expect similar treatment.”
The West can’t have it both ways. They can’t say, for example, that the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo trumps Serbia’s right to territorial integrity, and then turn around and say that Ukraine’s right to territorial integrity trumps the right of Russians in Crimea to self-determination.
Excellent point.
Russia obviously has control of Crimea, and intends to keep it; or at least ensure the referendum is held for Crimea to choose indenpendence and alliance with Russia.
Ukraine still has to get organized enough to defend its mainland, and try to hold what it can.
“That was a pan-NATO move.”
Everybody knows that “NATO” is another name for the interventionist US military.
The other members of NATO have negligible military means.
General Wesley Clark (USA) was the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in Serbia war.
” Excellent point.
Russia obviously has control of Crimea, and intends to keep it; or at least ensure the referendum is held for Crimea to choose indenpendence and alliance with Russia. “
The West leaders and media hysteria on the alleged Russian “invasion” of Crimea is simply grotesque.
Crimea has been part of Russia since 1774, when Catherine the Great’s army conquered it from the Ottoman Empire. The majority of the population is composed of ethnic Russians. 98% of the population speak Russian.
Crimea is an autonomous republic, with its own Constitution, parliment, government and budget.
The population of Crimea have every right in the world to decide of their future. Referendum is set for March 16 ...
Ukraine blocks accounts of Crimean section of state treasury - Crimean Deputy PM
The Kiev administration blocked the electronic systems of the Crimean section of the State Treasury and blocked Crimea’s accounts.
“Crimea is an autonomous republic, with its own Constitution, parliment, government and budget”
I realized how much spin has been put on this in the media when the Wall Street Journal showed the locations of Russian and Ukrainian military bases in the Crimea. Is it still an “invasion” if Russia already had active military bases there?
Weird...
Careful what you wish for.
“Is it still an “invasion” if Russia already had active military bases there?”
In 1997, Russia and Ukraine signed the Partition Treaty, establishing two independent national fleets (out of the former Soviet Union fleet of the Black Sea) and dividing armaments and bases between them. Ukraine also agreed to lease major parts of its new bases to the Russian Black Sea Fleet until 2017.
The Fleet’s main base is situated in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol. In 2009 the anti-Russian Yushchenko-Timoshenko Ukrainian government declared that the lease would not be extended and that the fleet would have to leave Sevastopol by 2017.
However, in 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042.
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