He's not doing a very good job of concealing it.
Posted on 03/06/2014 11:17:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
“We don’t want to do it, but we will, we will do it only in order to protect Ukrainian citizens. We will put their women and children in front of our troops, not behind, but in front and we will be hiding our solders behind them. I dare any Ukrainian commander to give an order to shoot at such crowd.”
(Excerpt) Read more at bizpacreview.com ...
I’m not buying this.
Thanks for the translation assist. FR has taught me to be skeptical of what I read and your post is a great example of why.
He's not doing a very good job of concealing it.
Putin is saying that the people in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine support what he has done to restore order. They would stand in front of the Russian forces to show their support.
Somebody wants a war and IMO it isn’t Putin.
Please see my note above about the translation quality of the original story. That should be a good enough reply, but I’ll try to make it clearer for you and anyone else looking at this thread.
No one said anything about Ukrainian women and children spontaneously or voluntarily choosing to stand in front of Russian troops or being used as human shields except BizPac Review and Russia Today.
I noted that Putin was pretty angry when he was speaking. We do not know what the reporter said to him before this out-of-context clip was taken, but whatever it was (I believe probably something about the Ukes firing on the invading Russian Army...), it got him pretty mad. So, he was speaking under emotional stress and lost some of his control. He said they, the Russians, would “take a decision for the defense of Ukrainian citizens and if someone tries, if one of these servicemen...”
At that point, he loses some coherence and states “they (implied Ukrainian military) would be shooting at their own people, for which we (the Russians) are there for”.
He then makes an emotional, slightly illogical leap to, “Let them try to shoot women and children.” It’s easy to see why he said that. I’ve served in places where we, the US military, were there to protect civilians and any shooting at us was perceived as a de facto threat against those we were trying to protect.
Nothing about women and children putting themselves into harm’s way to defend any Russians and nothing about Putin threatening to use women and children as human shields was in what Putin said in the clip provided by Ken H.
Putin was projecting equivalence between his Russian troops and (Ukrainian/Crimean) women and children. What is understood by many is that the population of the Crimea is about 60 percent Russian. That’s who is really more equivalent to the Russian troops and is what, I believe honestly, got Putin’s dander up.
The fact that you and anyone else are thinking along the lines of the first very bad translations, and in my view intentionally bad translations, shows that the translators’ goal of influencing you to their way of thinking was successful. Influence Ops 101.
Please don’t take any of this as a defense of Putin on my part. See my other note above for a good video link about him. I just don’t like it that those who would manipulate us into war, would abuse their knowledge of a foreign language to do so. There are other, more important reasons to dislike Putin than what this mis-translation is about.
Cheers from Virginia!
Ivan
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You are absolutely correct, sir, in that the ethnic Russian people in Crimea and eastern Ukraine support what Putin has done and would stand in front of/with Russian forces to show their support. It’s just not what Putin actually said to the reporter... ; )
See my encyclopedia entry above for details.
Your tagline is right on, too, BTW!
Cheers!
Ivan
Thanks Ivan. Agree fully with your posts above.
Putting women and children in front of his invading tr0ops, either by force or encouraging them on TV to do so, is utterly vile and disgusting!
The full hour session is at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_627649057&feature=iv&src_vid=N68TI-KAQds&v=QiKF8JN1qmk
The excerpt is from about 34:00 into the full video, if you want to see the whole thing in context. The English translation is over the Russian, but you make out parts of the Russian.
And Russia Today is funded by the Russian government. You would think that Putin would do something about ensuring that the translations coming out of RT accurately represented what he said.
Thank you for a very informative post!
A John Kerry quote. Look it up.
Well, the referenced video clip doesn’t show Putin encouraging them on TV to do so and I’m pretty sure the invading Russian troops aren’t going to do so by force, but otherwise I am in full agreement with you - Putting women and children in front of invading troops, either by force or encouraging them on TV to do so is utterly vile and disgusting!
Cheers!
Ivan
Ha! That’s awesome! Thanks!
I couldn’t really hear past the interpreter’s English, but you could hear that he was interpreting simultaneously (which is very difficult to do), and he kind of skipped over a couple of phrases... (ahem) and he wasn’t quite right on with some of the interpretation, but he did get the overall meaning correct: The Ukrainians shouldn’t be firing at the Russians with the Russians being there amongst the civilians.
I did find this Russian news story about the interview, only about a half-hour. I’ll put ears on it this weekend...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k2xnYZ20Lg
Cheers!
Ivan
“And Russia Today is funded by the Russian government. You would think that Putin would do something about ensuring that the translations coming out of RT accurately represented what he said.”
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You’d be surprised... Nah, they usually do a really good job. But like they say, though, one “uh-oh” kills a hundred “attaboys”!
And as I previously stated, too, simultaneous interpretation is extremely difficult. So, add that to Putin’s speaking even faster than normal due to being angry, slurring a word or two, and you end up with “women and children in front of”, instead of “for whom we’ll be standing”... a mistake which does make some sense in Russian, if not in English.
Cheers!
Ivan
No problemmo! Glad I could help.
Putin always seemed a little off,
but now he is cracking.
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I’m having trouble reconciling that photo with this news story...
; )
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