[frogjerk]

You have no voice without a means to defend it. Without those, all your other battles are lost before they're begun.

There are plenty of people throughout history that had a voice without being behind a gun or holding a weapon. I'm not arguing that the 2nd amendment isn't a right and should be infringed. I'm just arguing don't denegrate or give up your other unalienable rights by ignoring those battles.

[tomkat]

Gulags were/are full of people with 'a voice'.

Mao - fat genocidal communist maggot that he was - had one thing absolutely right: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun

While we may have to agree to disagree, I respectfully submit that without the 2nd, all the others are at the whim of the tyrant du jour.

Perhaps we're coming at this from two vastly different perspectives.
In my view of this world, all that's accomplished by 'turning the other cheek' is to end up with both sides bloody.

F that, imho.