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To: annalex
Ukraine, 2010 - the last legal presidential election. Red - votes for Timoschenko (45%) (most of the people speak ukrainian), blue - votes for Yanoukovich (48.5%)(most speak russian) . What happened in February in Kiev is that the people from the red colored areas overthrew the government elected by people from the blue areas. The first attempt to disfranchise and suppress the second!

The East and South-East areas are more densly populated, industrial and richer than the poor agricultural East. The nazi parties obtained up to 40% of votes in Lwov region. It's from there that their militarily trained militia came to Maidan, Kiev, to create havoc. Example: the Right Sector, a coalition of right-wing ultra-nationalist radicals. Their leader Dmytro Yarosh (L) during a rally in Maidan Square, Kiev February 21, 2014

Far-right group "Right Sector" train on Maïdan Square in central Kiev, January 25, 2014.

Anyone who watched this matter unfolding on world media would have seen live video streams of the right wing thugs at work. Including policemen being beaten to death and then being set on fire . I did see it. But the most important thing to keep in mind is the US, UK and EU have colluded to put in power a neo-nazi bunch of thugs. They were not elected, thus they are illegitimate.

In a democracy when you're dissatisfied with your elected leaders you impeach them or, you wait it out until the next election when you vote for the other guy. What's the argument in favor of the violent overthrow of a legitimately elected president? Who's next to be deposed in this way? The French president (17% of the population still trust him)? Canada Prime Ministre? Ialian president? Poland president? WHO? Barack Obama (38% trust him)?

US has repeatedly accused Russia of “invading” the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, ignoring the fact that an existing 1997 agreement between Russia and Ukraine allows Moscow to keep up to 25,000 Black Sea Fleet troops in the peninsula. Actually there are some 17,000 troops in Crimea.

70 posted on 03/06/2014 10:14:45 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
policemen being beaten to death and then being set on fire

I posted several articles about the Ukrainian revolution on FR:

Current events: Ukraine

Escalation in Ukraine
Address to Owners of Weapons (Ukraine)
Sustaining Ukraine's breakthrough: EU expertise and markets are essential [Soros]
Ukrainian Major Archbishop appeals for solidarity and warns the danger of civil war is not over
Alarm in Ukraine as Putin Puts Russian Troops on Alert
A Jewel in Two Crowns [Soviet Sevastopol]
NATO warns Russia to cease and desist in Ukraine

You don't need to educate me or the regular readers of my series about what happened. Of course it was a violent revolution driven by a well-organized Ukrainian nationalist movement. Well done.

you wait it out until the next election when you vote for the other guy

Right, ordinarily. Apparently enough people got p_ssed off by the Yanuk government not to do so. Government lost the consent of enough people, who were sufficiently passionate about overthrowing it. It is not the norm, -- no one says it is.

Who's next to be deposed in this way?

You list some attractive candidates.

existing 1997 agreement between Russia and Ukraine allows Moscow to keep up to 25,000 Black Sea Fleet troops in the peninsula

In Sevastopol. Not in Simferopol and not for the purposes of occupying local seats of government.

Back to your larger red-and-blue point. Yes, Ukraine is demographically divided country. It may very well be that the passionate, pro-European West might be unable to satisfy the Sovietism of the inert but still quite numerous East. So, what Putin should have done is to stay our militarily and let the situation develop in Ukraine as a matter internal to Ukraine. He, being a Soviet thug by mentality and training, foreclosed on the democratic option.

75 posted on 03/07/2014 5:28:43 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Marguerite

......” the most important thing to keep in mind is the US, UK and EU have colluded to put in power a neo-nazi bunch of thugs. They were not elected, thus they are illegitimate.

In a democracy when you’re dissatisfied with your elected leaders you impeach them or, you wait it out until the next election when you vote for the other guy. What’s the argument in favor of the violent overthrow of a legitimately elected president? “.....

I believe there are many Americans who fail to see how the United States, Europe/Nato and the UN has used revenues, personnel, which they have organized on the grouds to incite the people, use thugs and supported them,to depose nation leaders who are not co-operative with the Globalist push for World Governance......Then they claim it’s the people seeking freedom. Then it’s seen as “clean hands”...for the politicians who push this.

It took SISI of Egypt to calm the Islamist takeover in Egypt.....and Putin in Syria.....because both these men understand that unfortunately there are many country’s people who cannot adopt to anything remotely democratic....there are simply to many tribal fractions who have no understanding of democracy....

Look at Libya, Somalia, Syria, Aphganistan, Iraq, Yemen etc. etc. and all the others where they’ve done this and the country’s are a mess...and the death tolls rise.

As much as we don’t want to admit it...and the harshness of dictatorships... they have kept those countries from all the fighting and or quickly put them down when they rose.

Our understanding of foreign nations culture and makeup cannot be compared to what we know....the mindset is much different and will never adapt.

We’ve stopped fighting wars and now are the worlds force to change the world to the Globalist demands....and it’s our men that will continue to pay the price for “re-building nations..and our revenues as well.


81 posted on 03/07/2014 12:26:01 PM PST by caww
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