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To: mac_truck; caww
That there were some people shooting also at the Berkut is completely understandable, as one can do only so much with rocks and gasoline against a trained military unit.

That the Ukrainian government needs to investigate who shot at whom and who paid for what is also beyond dispute.

The supposed evidence that the same sniper or group of snipers shot at both -- which would indeed be bizarre, -- comes from what an Olga Bogomolets told the Estonian Premier, who told Ashton, about the type of bullets used. Even if we trust the honesty and the motivation of all this chain of disclosures and alleged hacks, it boils down to the type of bullet. It is not the evidence the RF pumps it up to be. Ashton's reaction is, naturally, surprise, -- it does not point to her prior knowledge of the allegation.

Further, think. How would shooting at both side benefit the rebels? They used firearms openly on the Berkut, -- it's not like they pretend they never shot back. The Berkut used firearms clandestinely at first, but in the end we have enough video and forensic evidence of Berkut shooting live ammunition. That Yanukovich thugs at some point might want a "proof" that someone shot at them, I understand, but I don't see what was there for the rebels to gain beyond the video and ballistic evidence already available.

Here is the damning part of the transcript according to the putinista source:

Paet: "And still, people are seriously concerned about the fact that the new coalition is unwilling to investigate what really occurred there . The understanding of the fact that somebody from the new coalition, not Yanukovych, was behind those snipers is becoming more and more strengthened with every passing day."

Ashton: “I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh,”

[...]

Paet: “And second, what was quite disturbing, this same Olga Bogomolets told as well that all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides.” He also added: “She also showed me some photos and said that as a medical doctor she can say that, the same type of bullets were used on both police and protestors.”

Ashton: “Well, yeah…that’s, that’s terrible.”

Voice of Russia

There is nothing here of substance.

Let us now compare this episode with Putin setting up occupation of Crimea and surprise war game, removing all insignia from his troops (making them instantly illegal combatants not protected by laws of war), and then lying with a smirk how none of that really happened. You want liars, -- here's one, go, catch.

61 posted on 03/06/2014 5:56:48 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
That the Ukrainian government needs to investigate who shot at whom and who paid for what is also beyond dispute.

The radicals in Kiev have said NO to an investigation of the sniper shootings, which is why in light of this information, no one there trusts them.

How would shooting at both side benefit the rebels?

The Maidan radicals knew they could never gain power legitimately through the democratic process and therefore needed a 'bloody shirt' to rally support for complete overthrow of the government.

Their many attempts at provoking such a response from police using rocks, clubs, and fire bombs had failed, and they knew a peaceful settlement was close to being finalized which meant their 'revolution' would be over.

There needs to be a full accounting of the incident including an investigation into who was leading the protesters into that unprotected kill zone.

66 posted on 03/06/2014 6:50:20 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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