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To: annalex; pierrem15; Repeal The 17th; Ivan Mazepa; All

I have posted previously about the Ukraine giving up their nukes in return for security assurances from the US. But here’s something I don’t understand: The Ukraine is a fairly major arms exporter, a quite “high tech” country, and pretty much capable of manufacturing anything they need to defend themselves from conventional attack. Yet the picture I have from news reports (mostly MSM, I will grant you) is that the Ukraine has the manpower, but not the arms, to defend itself. Given the Ukraine’s history, this seems, well, foolish. What am I missing here? Is the Ukraine, despite its considerable capabilities, just too poor? Did they give up their 5000 nukes far too cheaply?

Can someone more knowledgeable enlighten me?


177 posted on 03/04/2014 9:09:51 AM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.
Same situation as Germany and France with the most recent Leopards and Rafaels: they sell abroad weapons systems they cannot afford to buy themselves.

Ukraine has spent almost no money on its armed forces.

178 posted on 03/04/2014 10:20:28 AM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Paul R.

Ukraine was pressured by the US and Russia to give up its nukes. To US, the country was an unknown entity at the time and Nuclear non-Proliferation was/is word of the day.

Last twenty years, Ukraine was allocating pennies to the military budget, it has some capability but would be badly outnumbered against the Russians.


182 posted on 03/04/2014 4:56:12 PM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Paul R.; pierrem15; Repeal The 17th; Ivan Mazepa; All

The previous governments probably stole everything that was not bolted down. And yes, in the post-Soviet space, no oil == no money; people forgot how to work.


183 posted on 03/04/2014 7:05:45 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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