[Gay State Conservative]

But, anyway, what is your point? That we should ignore them, shoot them off, or what?

My point was a simple one....that the civilized world should never be surprised when the Russian leadership engages in savagery.

At home *or* abroad.

[annalex]

Indeed. We shouldn’t, for example, expect the Russian Federation to respect the treaties it itself negotiated. They are a rogue state.