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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What war?


2 posted on 03/01/2014 9:12:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

When one country invades a section of another, I think you’ve got a war. Adolf Hitler was lucky with the Österreich Anschluss, but that is unusual.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 9:15:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: BenLurkin

“What war?”

You took the words right out of my mouth.

He’s having an easier time than when Hitler waltzed into Vienna.


7 posted on 03/01/2014 9:18:16 PM PST by aquila48
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To: BenLurkin
It is just an "uncontested arrival" of "undocumented immigrants".

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

14 posted on 03/01/2014 9:24:15 PM PST by Moorings
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To: BenLurkin; aquila48; 2ndDivisionVet; SpaceBar; Steve_Seattle

That's what I was thinking...

But there is this, dated March 2 Russian armed forces seize Crimea as Putin threatens wider military invasion of Ukraine including what we could guess comes next, as outlined;

Members of the Russian Federation Council said that their nation's troops are needed to protect the safety of millions of ethnic Russians in Ukraine and that the soldiers should stay until "the constitutional order is restored in Ukraine," which hints at a possible Russian attempt to return to power Viktor Yanukovych, ousted as Ukraine's president on Feb. 22, or install another Kremlin-friendly leader.

It's been so far a limited occupation, limited to some forces in the Crimea, with a fig leaf covering of approval by the Crimean region's political head --- with Moscow disavowing legitimacy in Kiev presently, to make up for lack of invite from those in Kiev. Now the Russians seem to be threatening settling the matter firsthand -- with their own hands. (ok, while they're busy there we can invade Mexico, draft it's young men into an army firmly under U.S. control, then go take out the trash in Venezuela, eh? jez kidding...)

Those in Kiev need to get their ducks in a row as to charges of corruption, including specifically Yanukovych family placements within government department positions, along with his and his mob's pressuring of judges. If a few of those judges would come forward, it could be yet more dynamite to demand extradition of Yanukovych, rather than some Kremlin-backed heroic return. Frog march time, line the charges up carefully, but don't tip one's hand as to the most sure and deadliest and solid of allegations against Yanukovych until the last possible micro second. Crucify the (rich as Croesus) criminal bum. Throw him under the jail. After a fair trial, of course. ;^')

But Russia has other outcomes in mind. This looks like it's could get very nasty, with once again it being a heart-breaking things of evil warfare, to have been born in Ukraine. Will those people ever get a real break?

Kremlin minded backers are being fed the lies that those who oppose this [expletive deleted] Yanukovych, are Fascists. Uh-huh. yeah right. The Russians are lying sacks of "it" --- but they believe their own stinking piles(!) which is what makes them dangerous.

Here's some more on Yanukovych [below].

Yanukovych Leaks sheds light on Ukraine’s high-living ex-leader

Ukrainian journalists are going through thousands of papers, some of them partly burned, others fished out of a lake.

Some reports say they include plans for the use of even deadlier force than was unleashed on protesters last week. Yet most of the documents had to do with spending.

Journalist Oleksandr Akymenko said: “The documents are very valuable. They could help prove corruption schemes used by Yanukovych personally, his team and his inner circle. They contain lots of data linked to various companies close to the residence and to him.”

Ukraine: Corruption Doesn’t Capture It
First paragraph from link
Since it became an independent state 23 years ago, Ukraine has been looted by its structure of government at all levels and those close to it. The word “corruption” is not adequate to describe present-day Ukraine, and in fact, distorts reality. Western listeners, often aware of corruption in their own countries, and certainly it exists everywhere else, shrug their shoulders and remain unimpressed. But what has taken place in Ukraine all these years, and accelerated rapidly under the current government, goes far beyond corruption. It is a policy of looting the country, transformed over the last several years into systematic and institutionalized extortion that reached all the way down into society, after not much was left to be stolen at the top.

Further down in the same article;

To understand what led to the current protests in Ukraine, it helps to rewind the tape of history and to start with perhaps the most “politically incorrect” question for the West: how privatization took place in Ukraine (as well as in the other post-Soviet states) in the early 1990s and what role international institutions and Western experts played in it. I believe that, in its rush to shatter the existing centrally planned economy, to push free market reforms, and to make irrevocable the departure from socialism, the West made a fundamental misjudgment. It acted as if democratic societies can be built starting with economic changes even when institutional and governmental reforms are lacking.

The post-Soviet countries received a massive impetus from the West for the economic changes and reallocation of property rights reflected in privatization while they lacked the traditions and habits of accountable, transparent governance or any experience with grassroots democracy. In these conditions, privatization meant that state assets and natural resources landed firmly in the hands of those close to power, leaving the rest of the country in both financial and moral turmoil.

All that accelerated during the Yanukovych presidency, and was extended all the way down through the society. I was told in one government ministry that in each department, employees were forced to contribute part of his or her monthly salary, the money flowing up through the pyramid to those on top. This became generalized through government institutions. Any small business owner in Ukraine who hasn’t lost their company outright to physical threats or shady financial maneuvers ratified by corrupt courts, knows the necessity of paying large bribes to government officials just to keep the doors open.

From June 8, 2012 Yanukovych, the luxury residence and the money trail that leads to London

April 9, 2012 In Ukraine, scales of justice often imbalanced

45 posted on 03/01/2014 11:16:04 PM PST by BlueDragon (Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.Proverbs 29:18)
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