[tfecw]

Lets see, aid factions that want to put Ukraine under the thumb of a Russian tribal post comkunist warlord, or factions that want to help Ukraine be devoured by the ravenous financially collapsing European socialist state.

this has been my struggle as well. My feeling is that we should, once again, bail out the Europeans. That said, I'm a little tired of supporting military actions in wars waged by democrats while they do their best to undermind the same thing when it's a GOP initiated action.

[MrEdd]

My feeling is that European socialists funded Obama the same way the Chinese funded the Clintons. Nothing is going to stop the implosion of their welfare state after which they will be at war with the Islamists they got surgically attached to and which they will no longer be able to buy off.

Their answer as always will be another xenophobic purge of all unassimilated aliens.

There is nothing to be gained by helping Europe here.
Not for us.
Not for the Ukrainians.
Not even for Europe in the long run.