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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Have no idea what Putin’s designs are, but if he has in mind establishing Russia as the dominate superpower this could be his opportunity. The western world will do nothing if he annexes all of the Ukraine. Doubt he’ll make any sudden military moves after that, but who knows? He may not have to. He can simply wait until the idiot Obama finishes bankrupting America and destroying our defenses. If America goes under, it’ll create a helluva problem for China (which also has dreams of becoming the dominate superpower) and big problems for the entire world for that matter. We owe so much money to China that if we default, they could be toast. Not only that, but we’re their major customer. And socialist Europe is about to collapse anyway. I think we could be in for a bit of a problem here.


45 posted on 03/01/2014 1:54:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
A Czech friend of mine gave me an interesting analogy in regard to Putin. Stalin's biggest mistake was in trusting Hitler; Stalin assumed that Der Führer was a rational actor on the world stage. In fairness, up to the point that Operation Barbarossa began, Hitler did look like a rational actor, and a rather victorious one to boot, having conquered continental Europe. But in hindsight, we now know that Hitler was not a rational actor; he was a lunatic and a military adventurer/conqueror who had a brilliant run of the good fortunes of war. Of course, that run ran out. Here's the nub of her argument. What if we're making the same mistake regarding Putin? What if, despite appearances, Putin is not the rational actor we all assume him to be? What if he rolls into Ukraine, and then says, "Hey....Poland's right over there. What the hell?! Keep them tanks rolling, boys!" Right into NATO territory. That's the concern here in this part of Europe, and I can't say I entirely disagree with it. After all, these good people know first hand the consequences of assuming that the tyrant next door is going to be satisfied with his bowl of borscht, and then he starts eyeing your plate of pork chops, sauerkraut and potatoes.
48 posted on 03/01/2014 2:06:45 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ukrainians have no love for Russkies. I can’t imagine any Russian soldier wanting to die fighting Ukrainians but I can imagine a Ukrainian soldier wanting to kill a Russian soldier in defense of Ukraine.


50 posted on 03/01/2014 2:24:12 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: Jim Robinson
“A bit of a problem” is an understatement.

What I've not seen most people factor in, is the true position of the EU.
Our purported best friends and allies.

The EU is an elitist, socialist, NGO constructed to battle economically against the USA, while maintaining NATO military defense relations, primarily paid for and manned by the USA.

I'm just a cynical old Cold War veteran, who has loosely followed the political and financial antics of the insane EU construct for several decades.

Most people don't acknowledge that the actual citizens of the EU aligned countries have never affirmatively voted themselves in or out of it.
It just grew like a virulent cancer out of corrupt political financial deals to the point that the current elected leaders of the UK and other nation state members now absolutely refuse to bring the whole thing to any popular vote, before their own reelections are cemented.

I find it odd to think that the majority population of the Ukraine would want to voluntarily join into what a sizable population of current member nations of the EU want to exit.

I wonder if Germany would be so open to conciliatory talks with Russia, if 100% of the proposed USA DOD cuts came from closing USA NATO Army bases there.And if people in the western Ukraine would be so very eager to join the EU, if they knew the history, and probable outcome of that decision

Oh well...just my own private musings on current events.

90 posted on 03/02/2014 6:19:55 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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