Posted on 03/01/2014 11:00:08 AM PST by jimbo123
Edited on 03/01/2014 11:05:24 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
“The Banderstaat are the ones with the weapons.”
Banderstaat would mean “Bander State” - that makes no sense. It would be better to refer to them as Banderists or as adherents of the UPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
“They are the muscle for the revolutionaries.”
Some of it, yes. And?
“And they are Nazis.”
Nope. The original UPA fought the Nazis - and then allied with them when necessary. Eastern Europe’s bizarre history forces such strange relationships to come into being.
Neskorenyi - The Undefeated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NENah9oEiek The good stuff starts about 44 minutes in.
A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev
Timothy Snyder
The incoming Ukrainian president will have to turn some attention to history, because the outgoing one has just made a hero of a long-dead Ukrainian fascist. By conferring the highest state honor of Hero of Ukraine upon Stepan Bandera (1909-1959) on January 22, Viktor Yushchenko provoked protests from the chief rabbi of Ukraine, the president of Poland, and many of his own citizens. It is no wonder. Bandera aimed to make of Ukraine a one-party fascist dictatorship without national minorities. During World War II, his followers killed many Poles and Jews. Why would President Yushchenko, the leader of the democratic Orange Revolution, wish to rehabilitate such a figure? Bandera, who spent years in Polish and Nazi confinement, and died at the hands of the Soviet KGB, is for some Ukrainians a symbol of the struggle for independence during the twentieth century.
Born in 1909, Bandera matured at a time when the cause of national self-determination had triumphed in much of eastern Europe, but not in Ukraine. The lands of todays Ukraine had been divided between the Russian Empire and the Habsburg monarchy when World War I began, and were divided again between the new Soviet Union and newly independent Poland when the bloodshed ceased. The Soviets defeated one Ukrainian army, the Poles another. Ukrainians thus became the largest national minority in both the Soviet Union and Poland. With time, most Ukrainian political parties in Poland reconciled themselves to Polish statehood. The Ukrainian Military Organization, however, formed of Ukrainian veterans in Poland, followed the movement that sought to change the boundaries of Europe: fascism. With Benito Mussolini, who came to power in 1922 in Italy, as their model, they mounted a number of failed assassination attempts on Polish politicians.
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/feb/24/a-fascist-hero-in-democratic-kiev/
Bandera is held to be a hero by many Ukrainians because he was one of the few who acted and fought for independence, Before WW2 the rock and the hard place for Ukrainians were The Soviet Union and Poland. Both worked to suppress an independent Ukraine. During the war it was Germany and the Soviet Union. If Bandera was such a Fascist why did the Germans keep him in prison for 4 years? Once released he fought BOTH Nazis and Soviets. And kept fighting till his assassination by the Soviets. THAT has a powerful message for Ukrainians who spent almost all of the 20th century in a nightmare .
The REAL Fascists are Putin and his puppets.
Ukraine: The Haze of Propaganda
Timothy Snyder
“In fact, it was a classic popular revolution. It began with an unmistakably reactionary regime. A leader sought to gather all power, political as well as financial, in his own hands. This leader came to power in democratic elections, to be sure, but then altered the system from within. For example, the leader had been a common criminal: a rapist and a thief. He found a judge who was willing to misplace documents related to his case. That judge then became the chief justice of the Supreme Court. There were no constitutional objections, subsequently, when the leader asserted ever more power for his presidency......”
“The transitional authorities were not from the right, or even from the western part of Ukraine, where nationalism is more widespread. The speaker of the parliament and the acting president is a Baptist preacher from southeastern Ukraine. All of the power ministries, where of course any coup-plotter would plant his own people, were led by professionals and Russian speakers. The acting minister of internal affairs was half Armenian and half Russian. The acting minister of defense was of Roma origin....”
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/
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