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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Candor7
It’s none of our business

When Ukraine gave up its nukes, the US alongside the Russian Federation took the responsibility of guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Do we want the aftermath of the Cold War redefined?

The next stage was the signing on January 14, 1994 of the Trilateral Statement by the Presidents of Ukraine, Russia, and the United States under which Ukraine was to destroy all nuclear weapons on its territory, including strategic offensive weapons. Ukraine, Washington and Moscow reached an agreement in January that allowed for the dismantling of Ukraine's 176 Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBMs) ahead of Kiev's formal ratification of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).[3][4] France and China provided unilateral security assurances in the form of diplomatic notes. The missiles—130 SS-18s and 46 SS-24s—carried about 1,800 nuclear warheads altogether.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine

On December 5, 1994, Ukraine acceded to the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapon state. On that same date, the US, Russia and United Kingdom provided security assurances to Ukraine, and the START I Treaty also entered into force.

The US-Russia-Ukraine Trilateral Statement and Annex

I agree that with the kind of president we have, he better shut up altogether.

30 posted on 03/01/2014 5:28:25 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Are you seriously advancing the idea, that we should actually engage in a land war, with Russia, a few hundred miles from Volgograd (Stalingrad), to stop Russia from protecting its navy base at Sevastopol? And that somehow magically in this incident, McCain, Hillary, Kerry, Obama, Soros, the MSM, and the EU are all in the right?

The fact is, there really are people there who are linguistically, culturally, and emotionally Russian and they are worried sick about the pro-Nazi wing that took over control of the Maidan protests and turned them violent. We aren’t talking a few thousand, we are talking tens of millions who don’t see Russians as an enemy. In a way nobody here understands, Russians will not allow Nazis in any form to oppress Russians in Crimea or eastern Ukraine. And we have no business telling them to stay out.


40 posted on 03/01/2014 7:27:46 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: annalex

The problem with that accord is that it doesn’t apply here under international law.
This is a de facto civil war brewing. There is no integrity or borders at stake here.
Its a naked grab for power by the western revolutionaries who revolted against the legal government.
While we can debate the if and why fores or who is right or wrong, it still is a civil war and even Kerry was so advised by state.
Now when Russia brings up enough forces to roll back to Kiev, then they very well may do so, but even then the borders would remain the same.
Hell, they could even use that accord as legal justification to invade and thereby keep the territorial integrity of the Ukraine intact.


82 posted on 03/01/2014 12:32:04 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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