[cripplecreek]

"Some on our side are so stuck in the Cold War era that they want to tweak Russia all the time and I don't think that is a good idea,"

He's correct. We are not in a position of power here and will lose. This one is between the Ukraine, the EU, and Russia.

Personally the only outcomes I see are a divided Ukraine or a Ukraine continuing to live under Russian influence.

[LowTaxesEqualsProsperity]

Everything was okay until we broke it. Ukraine was governing itself through fair and free elections.

Elections were coming next year. Then the EU/US decided to take over by pouring billions of dollars to support a coup d’etat, and they got it, at the hands of armed neo-Nazis from the West Ukraine, which largely sided with Hitler.

The people in Crimea and South/East Ukraine don’t want a neo-Nazi regime. So they may leave.