Discrimination is discrimination. How do you know if a customer is “gay” or not? Most don’t wear signs proclaiming it. Only the politicized ones on the Left do.
I’m Jewish. There used to be signs that said “No Jews, Niggers or Dogs allowed”. You’ll find signs like that today in much of the Middle East.
But how does someone know that I’m Jewish. I don’t look Jewish and don’t wear any religious garments. I’ve passed for Italian on more than one ocassion. Even the KKK and Nazis didn’t know I was Jewish when I attended one of their rallies just outside of DC. (That was a learning experience, believe me).
You should ban a person from your premises based on their visible bad behavior, not who they are internally.
I think that moderate gays (who are afraid to speak up due to threats from their Leftist thugs), need to step up and say that they just want to be treated publicly like anyone else, but also demand that their militant brethren stop their own hate campaigns against straights and people with certain religious beliefs.
Doing the right thing is often hard, but it still is the right thing. It goes both ways.
Thank you MadMax. Well said and right on point.
There is a difference between discrimination out of malice, which is not a Christian value, and refusing service if providing such service causes a violation of conscious for the provider.
I'm having a little problem understanding your response. I gather you think it's wrong for the religious bakers to deny a cake to the homosexual couple. Correct me if I'm wrong.
But would it be wrong for a Jewish bakery to refuse to bake a cake for a Nazi, Klan, or some other obnoxious group ceremony? Remember, all those groups, like the homosexuals, have rights under the constitution.
If a baker has to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding against his or hers religious beliefs, they have to bake one for anybody who wants one for any reason.
You misunderstand the legislation and the issue behind it.
This was driven by gay activists trying to force business owners to perform services for specifically gay functions and events, not supporting general refusal of services based on perceived sexual orientation.
The photographers, bakers and others at the heart of this have not indicated any reluctance to serve gay customers, but drew the lines at facilitating gay weddings. As a Jew, it would be like a Christian forcing you to perform a service for a specifically Christian function, even if it was against your beliefs as a Jew. If you, for instance, ran a deli, it would be like forcing you to provide pork products for a confirmation celebration.
This was not the right thing. It was a shredding of first amendment rights.
I see. Another genius who doesn't even know what the bill was about and clearly never came even close to reading the one page bill, but sees fit to spew BS about it anyway.
Thanks for your informed opinion. Try this on for size, einstein: If they ask you to do a cake for a homosexual wedding, they probably are "gay." Make sense?
That’s absolute BS and a complete failure to understand the proposal as well as our Constitutional rights.
As an American, you and I have the right to provide services-as private business owners- to anyone we dang well please. It’s our prerogative. If you, as a customer, wish to hire me to provide a service which would violate my religious or spiritual beliefs, I have the right under the Constitution to refuse service.
The state and federal governments were designed to PROTECT our rights. Not infringe upon them.
Really?
What do you consider to be the "right thing?"
I think this is a reaction to all these “Human Rights” commissions and laws that really are only about pushing the Left’s agenda.
The best solution here is the Constitutional one. We all have the Freedom of Association and that includes discrimination. I suspect that a store banning certain groups would soon lose a lot of business. Dollars are green (except for the new Obama buck) and I think few business people would risk the offense and the loss of business.
Liberty is the best regulator of human relationships.
Discrimination is the basis of all civilization. If people of a civilization do not discriminate against those that can not or will not abide by the standards, customs, and morals of said civilization it will invariably cease to exist. Discrimination is outlawed in Western Civilization because certain men seek to wreck Western Civilization and rule the world that comes after.
>>>How do you know if a customer is “gay” or not?
When they ask for two grooms on the wedding cake, it is a pretty reasonable conclusion to make.
>>> You should ban a person from your premises ...not [for] who they are internally
Strawman. There is no discussion whatsoever on restricting the movements of homosexuals in bakeries.
Your logic would force: Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, Christian adoption agencies to perform adoptions for homosexual couples, Churches who allow the boy scouts classroom use to also give classroom space to NAMBLA.
And what about reverse discrimination? Colleges discriminate all the time against white men, in the name of promoting diversity.
a ban against people who insist on continuing an act that God calls an abomination is good. Simple.