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1 posted on 02/24/2014 5:18:11 AM PST by thackney
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No no and hell no. Fracing is not relatively new. It’s been around since 1947. Almost 67 years. I have worked on more then one frac


2 posted on 02/24/2014 5:39:10 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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The article talks like this is a huge problem.

Actually, this is progress on a large scale in a backwater place in America.

New England was my home for 6 years 30 years ago. Back then, there was almost total dependence there and in NY upon heating oil. Natural gas pipelines were not allowed(they were trying to bring in the Iroquois p/l back then) due to NIMBY).

Coal was rarely used due to its particle discharge so utilities like ConEd barged in oil to burn for power generation.

To alleviate demands, two nuclear power plants, one on Long Island and one near Boston, had been constructed at costs of $3.5bn and +$5bn but were not allowed to start due to environmental lawsuits.

The only way to heat was to use heating oil. This caused the entire area to suffer from the whims of oil pricing. It is recalled that every year Congress would pass huge subsidies specific to these states to offset the cost of hearing oil.

Now with natural gas, there is cheaper energy and mixed supply. No longer are the subsidies needed. And people are getting high-paying jobs in Pennsylvania to extract and transport this gas.

Also, we have freed up oil to be used in transportation and lubes/plastics sector.

This is all good, for New England and America.


4 posted on 02/24/2014 5:46:07 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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"In the summer you have the sea breeze that begins in the afternoon, when people are turning on their air conditioners, and in the winter you always have the wind chill effect," he said.

That's strange. I have read that the opposite is true.

5 posted on 02/24/2014 5:46:50 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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It’s only liberals that create this problem.
Years ago, I worked for a small company in Western New York. After the energy bill got too big, they simply went to the parking lot, put in a gas well for about $10K, hooked themselves up and never paid for gas again. In fact, the gas company pays them for any excess that they put into the pipeline.
The Great Lakes Area is lousy with natural gas, why it isn’t being utilized is the fault of the liberals who block every energy production venture there is, with the exception of bird killing windmills, and bird frying solar panel farms that cost more in the long run than they are worth. They only work with subsidies.


6 posted on 02/24/2014 6:07:59 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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This article is a fine example of how New England style cram downs are done.

1. Induce a capacity constraint through regulation.

2. Cause pain to one and all through invented “problems”.

3. Create roadblocks to any solution until the chosen solution is the one desired (in this case the wind project).

4. Implement over a 10 year time span using tax payers money.

Lather, rinse, repeat.


7 posted on 02/24/2014 6:11:27 AM PST by glorgau
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In contrast, Fisher noted, the cost of renewable energy development is only up front because the fuel generating electricity, like wind or solar, is free and cannot be depleted.


Wind powered generators need lots and lots of maintenance to maintain even good operating efficiencies. That gets to be very expensive in the long term.

Solar cells are great when the sun shines. Not being in new England for a long time now I wonder how many solar productive days they’ve had for this winter and over a ten year average.

Lastly reliance on just one or two types of ‘fuel’ for producing electricity makes for easy bottlenecks in the transport of those fuels to the electrical producing stations.

My solution for these people? Diversify your means of producing electricity even more and take care to have the means of producing your own heat and electricity in case the power grid has ‘problems’.

Also it’s a lot easier to freeze to death in New England than it is to ‘bake’ and have massive heat stroke deaths in the population at large.


10 posted on 02/24/2014 6:35:11 AM PST by The Working Man
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The Greens in Vermont wanted Vermont Yankee closed. Now they get to pay for it.


11 posted on 02/24/2014 6:44:30 AM PST by kidd
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New England's dependence on natural gas

And yet they do everything in their power to make it hard to obtain it......the idiocy of the Northeastern liberal is astounding!!!

12 posted on 02/24/2014 6:55:34 AM PST by ontap
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Energy officials are also getting worried about what will happen come winter 2017, when nine of New England's 32 gigawatts of electricity generation come offline. Those plants, representing more than 25 percent of the region's generating capacity, include coal plants in Salem and Somerset, as well as a nuclear plant in Vermont. ISO-NE is already estimating that the system will not be able to meet peak-demand in 2017 and will in fact fall short by 155 megawatts.

LOL! These Watermelons just keep pretending they're being "green" while screwing their constituents. Hopefully the winter of 2017 will be as bad as this one and we'll see some people finally get pissed off about this.

26 posted on 02/24/2014 7:42:18 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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In contrast, Fisher noted, the cost of renewable energy development is only up front because the fuel generating electricity, like wind or solar, is free and cannot be depleted.

A lie.

CapeWind Spokesman Mark Rodgers said that's one aspect of offshore wind that many overlook when they think about the high cost of deploying an offshore wind farm.

A big f'ing lie.

Good luck New England, you are going to need it.

41 posted on 02/24/2014 12:11:06 PM PST by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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