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Teens defend ‘fail factory’ high school in error-filled letters
NY Post ^ | 2/23/14 | Susan Edelman

Posted on 02/23/2014 5:18:26 AM PST by Libloather

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To: Scoutmaster

Even though I live in the Detroit media market, I forgot that one. A fine role model for children.


61 posted on 02/23/2014 12:39:57 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: abclily
REALLY?? I'm not a liberal. This must be yet ANOTHER canned response from your Little Red Book for People Who Can't Think of Their Own Insults.

Unlike YOU, I have the facts on my side. What does that make YOU? You're the one who disparaged an entire profession of dedicated people based on NO FACTS AT ALL, just your own little self who is WRONG. Spell it, lily: W-R-O-N-G.

62 posted on 02/23/2014 4:58:17 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

LOLOL


63 posted on 02/23/2014 6:16:23 PM PST by abclily
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To: fso301

Public schools in places like New York have always been full of immigrants, many of whom had parents who were illiterate or did not speak English. Those kids still learned basic reading, writing, arithmetic, history, geography - without teachers sending homework home as kids usually had chores after school. (I never had homework in elementary school!) Schools taught the subjects, not a bunch of peripheral nonsense. Sadly, I think many of today’s teachers are not qualified to teach the basics.


64 posted on 02/23/2014 10:02:17 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: informavoracious
Sadly, I think many of today’s teachers are not qualified to teach the basics.

One of the more popular "theories of education" these days is that teachers should play the role of "facilitators", while the children "teach" themselves and each other.

Under this theory, it's not necessary for the teachers to know the material, because they are there to facilitate.

65 posted on 02/23/2014 10:17:29 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

You’re right. Hence the proliferation of the “Education” major in college as opposed to teachers majoring in their subjects. I experienced that in a technical grad course. A student asked the prof his opinion about two alternate database models and the response was “I’m not a DBA, I’m an educator.” Whaaat? Granted, at grad level students do teach themselves and one another, but the joker “facilitating” the class ought to have SOME knowledge of the subject. Especially when the university is charging $1K a unit, $3K per class.


66 posted on 02/23/2014 11:43:43 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Libloather

I gradu8d hi sch mañana


67 posted on 02/23/2014 11:46:56 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Illiteracy might be the new normal

A local city councilor recently took offense at an article published in our local news and fishwrap, and wrote a "Letter to the Editor" taking the paper to task.

The paper published it as an op-ed, with a note from the editor explaining that it was published as written, completely unedited, and that the editor had verified its contents with the author. This was a good thing, because frankly, the letter was unreadable. It read like a child's short story....which is fine at age 7, but not so much as an adult, and furthermore, a representative of the people.

The City Councilor was thoroughly taken to task by the public, and the media, and ultimately lost her job in the next election. Rightfully so. She was corrupt, as well as illiterate. Good riddance.

That's not the punchline, though. The issue became a real tempest in a teapot.....since the City Councilor was (gasp) Black. Obviously, the paper was racist for publishing her (unspun, unedited, un-improved upon) thoughts. Obviously the paper wanted to make black people look bad. Sez me, this person was doing a pretty good job of that herself, and the paper merely provided an outlet.

68 posted on 02/24/2014 9:18:46 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill
This is another disturbing trend. These people can, seemingly, say anything and when they are exposed to the light of day, all hell breaks loose.

Remember "Obama phone lady". The media who simply replayed her interview were tagged as "racist".

69 posted on 02/24/2014 9:25:38 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: EinNYC

You’ve written a superb post, and I appreciate that you stand up for us beleaguered teachers against a hostile public.

I am sick and tired of people thinking they’re experts on education and that the fault of failing students lies strictly with the teachers. Critics who have never set foot in a classroom yet remember their own classrooms as full of kids eager to learn from brilliant teachers and think it’s the same now as it was then. Well, times have certainly changed and I’d invite any of them into a typical high school classroom to show us how to do it.

So few have any idea what it’s like to work in a school where black kids not only freely roam the halls all day but, when in class, are hostile to the education process and do everything they can to interrupt, disrupt, run around the room, yell and defy the teacher.

I know because I’ve been in those classrooms and when I tried to get help, am told by administrators that I cannot send students out for defiance, that children should be in class and if I send them out, I am denying these students the “right” to an education.

I felt as if I had fallen through the looking glass.

The local media are no better. Low test scores are prominently displayed with full blame assigned to “uneducated,” “boring,” or “racist” teachers. The paper is always happy to interview the kids who are happy to claim, “I didn’t learn nothing from that teacher!”

We teachers are never asked, of course, and the kids’ attendance or discipline records never scrutinized, it’s always the teachers’ fault.


70 posted on 02/25/2014 4:46:05 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Bon of Babble
Thanks for telling it like it is. Maybe some of the knee-jerk "It's the UNION'S fault!" or "It's the teacher's fault!" folks who routinely post their ignorance-based remarks will now pause before hitting the SEND button. The classroom's not like you remember it, people. Students are not respectful, industrious, or reflective like they were in the good ol' days. They refuse to own up to failure as their fault in any way. If they were out partying all night or getting high or playing video games instead of studying for the test they know they have tomorrow, it's the TEACHER'S fault. If they waited until the 15 minutes before a project was due and then failed to hand anything in or handed in something absolutely reflecting its slapdash origin, it's the TEACHER'S fault. If no one who wants to learn something can hear because a student feels like amusing themselves by deliberating disrupting a lesson, nothing happens to the disruptive student. The entire class is held hostage because after all, one cannot deprive that disruptive student of their opportunity to "learn", can they?

No WONDER they claim they "learned nothing from that teacher"! They were the spanner in the spokes of the lesson, day after day and yet have the nerve to blame someone else for their failure, thanks to the expert tutelage of Al Sharpton and his fellow masters of projection. It's always someone else's fault that they did not learn as they should.

Remind you of someone who claims it's always someone else's fault, anyone but him?

71 posted on 02/25/2014 8:06:05 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: Libloather

Probably a letter writing campaign from the classroom


72 posted on 02/25/2014 8:07:19 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: fso301
Then there is the matter of why is it the school's fault that large percentages of parents don't see to it that their children do their homework?

Why do children have homework?

There is no reason why pre high school a child should have homework.

73 posted on 02/25/2014 8:18:42 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: EinNYC
Great reply! I teach mostly 11th and 12th graders and most enter my classroom reading around a 4-6th grade level --but somehow that is MY FAULT. When they cannot pass the high school exit exam or score in the 2% in English and math on the state tests that too is MY FAULT. When they refuse to do homework, text instead of listening in class, roam the halls giving "shout outs" to their friends in other classrooms, that is MY FAULT. And armchair critics, who have never taught school will continue to condemn me as "dumb," "uneducated," and at the "bottom of my class." Take care, FRiend and don't let the bastards get you down. I've learned to cope well and have a lot of friends and a great family that helps get me through the day -- that and I am within a few years of retiring, that is if my pension hasn't been spent by the morons in the statehouse (California).
74 posted on 02/25/2014 8:27:15 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
There is no reason why pre high school a child should have homework.

It may be that in earlier grades, homework is needed not because of the coursework but rather to develop the abilities to independently do their homework later in high school.

75 posted on 02/26/2014 1:21:15 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301
No, it is not.

What it does is overload the child until they hate school work.

There is no other reason that to give a third grader two hours of home work that requires adult assistance.

Kids in the US go into school with the same level of enthusiasm and a higher skill level the kids anywhere in the world. By the time fourth grade comes around they have had all of that beaten out of them.

76 posted on 02/26/2014 6:18:56 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: EinNYC
Remind you of someone who claims it's always someone else's fault, anyone but him?

Yes teachers do remind me a great deal of Obama.

It is always the kids fault, or the parents, or society, or that they don't have the greatest gadgets.

Never is it that they have not the foggiest idea how to teach.

I mean sitting at a desk playing with your Ipod while telling the kids just to read the material should produce great results!

77 posted on 02/26/2014 6:26:05 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
If you have never taught in a public school (and I strongly suspect that is the case), then you cannot possibly have the slightest accurate concept of what it's like. As I said in a previous post, it ain't like when you were in school. "Sitting at a desk playing with your Ipod while telling the kids just to read the material" is not what occurs in a classroom. You have to monitor your studernts and make sure they're on task.

Kids in today's classrooms have absolutely no respect for authority, their parents, anyone. They have no problem cursing out their teachers, threatening to assault them, actually assaulting them, skipping class, etc. because they know that the libs in charge will offer them night school, summer school, weekend school, online school--anything--to nudge them over the line into the "pass" column, whether they know a darn thing about the subject or not. They don't have to do very much work at all. In NYC, they can even take "credit recovery" classes which only repeat the parts of the class that they failed. In other words, they get a mishmash quilt of this component and that component instead of having to repeat the whole class so that they get a cohesive idea of what the subject is actually about. And that passes for a class that they passed in their record.

So unless YOU have taught in public schools, you have absolutely no business asserting that teachers don't know how to teach. You say that based on what you think, not what you know from personal experience.

78 posted on 02/26/2014 12:07:23 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC
No, I teach the product of public schools. After they socially promote the poor kid who they manage to mess up to the point that they can't read a street sign out of the "school". Then they land in my class. And it is so odd, but inside of a year they can read. Not all, some truly have a learning problem and I have to pass them along to another class but most learn without much problem once proper methods are applied.

"Sitting at a desk playing with your Ipod while telling the kids just to read the material" is not what occurs in a classroom

Yes, it is. I know because I have been asked by parents to evaluate classes and that was exactly what the "teacher" did. In fact that was the most benign thing I have seen a bad teacher do.

So I do know what I am talking about and while there are good teachers out there they are hamstrung by teaching methods that are, at best, questionable. At worse they are criminal.

79 posted on 02/26/2014 6:06:42 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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80 posted on 02/26/2014 6:12:20 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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