Posted on 02/22/2014 3:21:09 PM PST by callthemlikeyouseethem
The “Republican” brand is severely tarnished.
Currently just 25% of Americans identify themselves as “Republicans.” On the other hand, 38% of Americans identify themselves as “conservative,” which is more than any other ideological group by 15 points.
These numbers are prompting a national conversation about how to “save the soul of the Republican Party” among conservatives, or if the party is still worth saving at all.
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Please, quote the parts you consider “rambling and confused”.
LOL, yeah, I’ll devote myself to going through all that mess again, why don’t you just try to make some sense and be a little less vague and wandering.
I was exceptionally direct. Being vague would mean diverging in every post to accuse other posters of being pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and so forth, when you have no evidence to support such indictments. Maybe you simply don’t understand polite people.
Trolls post behind poster’s back without pinging them, and here, they fight conservatism while hoping to be vague enough, and evasive enough, to avoid trouble.
For instance, pretending that trying to remove abortion from the party platform, isn’t being pro-abortion.
At least you admit that you want the GOP to move left on social issues, so far that you want them removed from the party.
So you allow conservatives to keep abortion in the GOP platform? How about the homosexual agenda, do you want us to stop fighting that?
Why do you want to remove social conservatism from the party at all unless you support the left’s destruction of our nation and support the gains of the left since the 1960s.
I don’t care about homosexuals one way or the other. Mainly, I just want to stop hearing about their sex lives. Not really on my radar. What I DO want the GOP to abandon, entirely, is the “War” on Drugs and silly public decency laws. THOSE are social issues. All victimless crimes should be excised from the platform and from our law books.
So you support outlawing abortion, remaining in the party platform?
You support gay marriage, gays in the military, etc., to the extent of ending opposition to them, and are for legalizing all drugs, and what public decency laws are in the platform?
Good grief, do I really have to spell out the particulars of every one of those for you to get it? I don’t support gay marriage, becuase I would have to care one way or the other to support it, and I don’t care. And yes, end the war on drugs. Public decency laws are on plenty of local platforms - check the number of towns where (usually GOP) politicians support taking the time to write laws requiring “da yutes” to pull their pants up.
You use phrases that are not universal in an effort to be vague, and you are vague, I don’t know what you mean about public decency laws being in the GOP platform, that usually means something like urinating in public, or having sex in a public place
As far as you not supporting gay marriage, Of course you do, to the extent that you want to defeat political opposition to it, you literally want the conservatives to stop, just stop, you are calling for them to remove it from their party entirely.
That is a very powerful and aggressive position of support for gay marriage, how about immigration, are you libertarian on that as well?
I do not support gay marriage. Apathy and support are two vastly different things. Now you’re just outright lying about me and my views.
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A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO DEMOCRATS: You voted for all of this: (1) throwing Americans off affordable health plans, (2) burdening Americans w/ ruinous deductibles, (3) nationalizing 1/16 of the US economy, (4) abandoning the elderly and the chronically ill, (5) empowering IPAB's (Death Panels),(6) decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth, and, (7) drug rationing.
REMEMBER THIS DEMOCRATS? As far back as 2008, at the Democrat presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama smilingly campaigned on the glories of his signature healthcare plan---ultimately enacted, by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote, into the "Affordable Care Act"
QUOTING 2008 OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”
Repeated over and over ---- with the promise that every American family would be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.
Significantly, Obamba NEVER corrected lock-stepping Democrats, all reading from the same Democrat talking points, all of them repeating the same Democrat promises---over and over again.
LOCK-STEPPING PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1930- 40's ERA EUROPE Obama And The Dems marched in lockstep. The persistent Dumbocrat drumbeat ---- in obeisance to Obama ---- kept ringing reassuringly in our ears: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
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Ominous cogs in the Democrats' Obamacare meat grinder----the inexorable forcing of Grandma/pa onto Medicaid--(like cattle herded single-file onto the narrow ramp---knowing the bolt is coming---but not able to do a thing about it). Medicaid conveniently groups together the sick and elderly---as Obama's IPAB board of radicals sit in judgment. Boobamba's Orwellian-speak---the progressive way of saying "Obamacare keeps costs down."
The infamous "Death Panels---are alive and well----but they're not called death panels......for obvious reasons. The treacherous Obama euphemistically calls his death panel "I-PAB----Individual Payment Advisory Board." I-PAB decides what to pay and who to pay---thus rationing medical care to sick oldsters. Obamacare "allows" states to expand their Medicaid recipients pool. Under Obamacare, Washington now covers about 1/2 the cost of Medicaid enrollees.
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Obamacare's IPAB (Independent Payment Advisory Board) is the first agency of the “fifth branch” of govt.
1) It will make all important health care decisions by authorizing payment or not.
2) It is not funded by Congress and cannot have its budget reviewed or changed.
3) Its membership cannot be changed by future Presidents,
4) It cannot be repealed by Congress, except for a six month window in 2017.
5) Its decisions are not subject to judicial review.
6) It is not authorized by the Constitution, and is therefore immune to Constitutional processes.
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Why is Obamacre herding seniors WITH ASSETS onto Medicaid---a program structured for the poor? Can you say redistribution of wealth? Herding the elderly with assets into Medicaid has ominous consequences that are intriguing to the left. B/c assets, perhaps a home owned free and clear, securities, annuities, investment property, can be seized to pay for govt treatment.
Thus intergenerational transfers of wealth (a longtime progressive bugaboo)----are decimated (grandma/pa's holdings go to the govt---not to you).
Do we really want to???
Harris County, Texas is rapidly turning blue by way of some very irritating libertarians acting conservative...its a big red nose clown of a scam. ..and the dems just sit back and enjoy the show...
so goes this county. ..so goes Texas...
we’ll know by the time the state convention adjourns this summer...
You aren’t apathetic about the homosexual agenda, you are actively fighting here to end our resistance to it, you want it removed from the party platform.
You have taken a stand and acting to make change.
As to the question so poorly asked...what does it mean to be a Republican? It means nothing...there's no identifiable philosophy. There's only the gang that can't shoot straight.
Seriously...am I the only person who's wanted to ask a Lowell Weicker or Chris Christie, "Why do you think you're a Republican?"
It seems to exist merely as a vehicle for those who seek power yet don't want to associate with "those people."
It means nothing. That's because to have actual, identifiable principles would be too "divisive."
It's a challenge to change the principles held by an organization. It's next to impossible to persuade it to have any principles at all.
That would be a good start.
Stop importing everything.
Seriously.
Is there no question for which that is not the answer, or do you wish to hijack every thread?
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