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Yeah, about that. Sixty-one and point one percent of voters voted for Obama in California.

How's that working out for you, California?

1 posted on 02/22/2014 1:12:09 PM PST by Robwin
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You think 61% of the farmers in Cal voted for Obama? Save your sympathy for Cal, many of those lost crops go out of state.


41 posted on 02/22/2014 2:48:37 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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Anyone know why Obma cam out to the Central Valey last week? Was it to tell the farmers “tough sh!#?


44 posted on 02/22/2014 2:53:09 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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Central valley farmers didn’t vote for Obama ... you can take that to the bank.


49 posted on 02/22/2014 3:24:34 PM PST by BillyBonebrake
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This water issue issue was a hard one for me to reconcile the constitutionality of. I had made the mistake in a related thread of not seeing that Congress probably has the power to tax and spend for improving natural "intrastate" resources where the public use lands of the 5th Amendment, or where the federal entities under the exclusive legislative control of Congress indicated in the Constitution's Clause 17 of Section 8 of Article I are concerned.

However ...

Researching the federal law that established the US Bureau of Reclamation, originally called the US Reclamation Service, I discovered the following about that service. The US Reclamation Service was established under the federal Reclamation Act. And the possible constitutional problem with the Reclamation Act is that it provided funding for irrigation projects.

More specifically, and I don't know the details of these historical projects, bu if the federal irrigation projects were not done on the public use lands of the 5th Amendment, or in conjunction with the federal entities described in Clause 17 referenced above, then Congress arguably had no constitutional authority to appropriate tax dollars for such projects.

In fact, the delegates to the Constitutional Convention had discussed the idea of granting Congress the specific power to build canals, waterways historically the most economical way to move manufactured goods before superhighways were made. But the delegates to the Con-Con had decided not to grant Congress such powers. Here's a link to a related page.

Veto of federal public works bill

So the water now controlled by the Bureau of Reclamation is possibly an early example where Congress first needed to petition the States for an amendment to the Constitution which granted Congress the specific power to lay taxes to fund such projects, but neglected to do so.

Finally, it's disturbing that pro-one world government Progressive Movement was gaining momentum in 1902 when the Reclamation Act was established, the Progressive Movement evidenced by the constitutionally indefensible "private" Federal Reserve and the ratification of the misguided 16th and 17th Amendments in that era.

50 posted on 02/22/2014 3:25:02 PM PST by Amendment10
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Federal Water. Hmmm. Means “owned by the federal government”. I still cling to the quaint idea that the government belongs to us, the people. Therefore, the water belongs to the people. Quaint, but true. But you wouldn’t know it from the tyrannical way things operate now.


55 posted on 02/22/2014 5:06:09 PM PST by JewishRighter
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The Feds are setting up for a food crisis. Ultimately famine is a tool of the totalitarians to neutralize the population. Famine is coming to the USA. When inflation takes off food prices will go up much faster than others because farm land is being aggressively taken out of production by the Federal Government, either by denying water or by repurposing it to make “fuel.”


56 posted on 02/22/2014 5:10:11 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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How's that working out for you, California? The Left gets 2 bonuses by denying water. They get to subsidize farmers for their losses which strengthening the hold over them. Then, they get food prices to rise, which means they have more excuses to increase the transfer of funds from workers to idlers and that increases their hold over a growing sector of the population.

What's not to like about it for a typical leftist?

61 posted on 02/23/2014 4:30:36 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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