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in fact a freeper here admitted to me it was a success because it gave us someone in GOP to point fingers at, it has never about Dem concessions. It was about blaming others once it failed(why it succeeded).

Well, I sure am glad that you found a FReeper who agreed with your viewpoint. I guess that's all the proof I need.(/sarc)

Look how long it has taken to roust the GOPe from their slumber. Cruz has tried everything - either by himself, as a tagteam with Mike Lee or even with the entire House/Senate Tea Party Caucus - to get the GOPe to act. Unfortunately, the GOPe - instead of correcting their course back to the basic values desired by the base and the values they ran on - has lashed out at Cruz.

The sad truth is that the GOPe does NOT share the basic Republican values of Cruz or the party base. They cannot be asked, cajoled, begged, prodded, poked or pushed to do the right thing and substantively oppose Obama.

And if the GOPe won't move, they need to be removed. May God bless and strengthen Sen. Cruz as he fights the good fight.

RE :”Look how long it has taken to roust the GOPe from their slumber. Cruz has tried everything - either by himself, as a tagteam with Mike Lee or even with the entire House/Senate Tea Party Caucus - to get the GOPe to act. Unfortunately, the GOPe - instead of correcting their course back to the basic values desired by the base and the values they ran on - has lashed out at Cruz.”

But even give that, the misplanned shutdown strengthened Bohner and their hands. It gave them (GOPe) ammunition and valid arguments and it convinced many in the House that another one must be avoided at all costs.

Bohner passed the debt limit with Pelosi votes, he got must of his members political cover, and he is stronger than ever.

it served zero positive purpose.