[grobdriver]

The proof of the tipping point for me was Obama being elected for a second term.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

I agree - the takers outnumber the makers. If we last long enough we can educate a new generation and maybe turn that around... but the takers are having babies, too.

[freerepublicchat]

There's an invisible civil war going on and the takers are cranking out more and more troops. Unless conservatism finds a way to accept subsidized contraception of the takers, all is lost.

Opposition to contraception is a bit like being a conscientious objector. I can appreciate the principle, but there are times when we need a draft and stiff penalties for desertion.