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To: redgolum
I believe in Job creations for all Americans. Since there are alternatives to oil ... please as asked earlier ... show me and I'm not from Missouri. I'll shall listen (or read in this instance) and reply. My promise. One other point and will wait ... I never said the price of oil would be affected and you know that. I've only mentioned I'm for Jobs for Americans.
106 posted on 02/20/2014 10:00:46 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
Job creation for Americans? Friend, do you know who will be working on the pipeline and managing it?

As to oil alternatives, there are many. I have worked on some nutty ones (Bio-fuels, great fun) to the more sane. The best, IMHO, is using coal to make synthetic fuel. It is a proven technology, and from an abundant resource in the USA. There is also catalytic conversion of waste products, which can't replaced everything used in oil but does help in turning things like say, waste meat from a packing plant, to some lighter hydrocarbons.

Of course the oil companies don't want coal gas, and have been actively lobbying against it since at least the 1950’s. Old Ike also made a strategic decision to use Saudi oil (Saudi being a recent British creation) in order to drive them into our sphere of influence.

The other partial problem with coal is that it takes a lot of water. You can recover some of it, but the process itself consumes H2O. It has been a while since I played with it, and since I compared it to a traditional oil refinery, but if I remember right it was at least 25% more water intensive. Though I suspect that oil sands use more water in total that either sweet crude or coal conversion.

Again, I will ask you a simple question.

Do you as a person have any right to private property, or does the State's perceived need (or a corporation's lobbying) trump all property rights? For this is what it is really about. The land owners don't want to sell. A foreign owned and managed company, with a majority of non US citizen employees, wants that land (and to not be held accountable for spills).

Does the private citizen have any real property rights?

110 posted on 02/20/2014 11:36:21 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: no-to-illegals

In other words, private property rights mean nothing to you. Perhaps China might be a more appropriate place for you to reside, then.


133 posted on 02/23/2014 8:07:08 PM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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