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To: SoFloFreeper

It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would God create us, and then torture us for eternity? Why inflict so much pain? What is the point? To scare us into accepting Jesus Christ? I didn’t get this when I was a kid, and I still don’t get it.


6 posted on 02/16/2014 8:56:11 AM PST by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: olepap
Why would God create us, and then torture us for eternity?

He wouldn't! Man sinned and God set the Salvation plan in motion!

The Lord is [...] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

9 posted on 02/16/2014 9:10:34 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: olepap

You got it Olepap...never made any sense to me either...


10 posted on 02/16/2014 9:11:26 AM PST by barney10
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To: olepap
It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would God create us, and then torture us for eternity?

It would seem that way, but Eternity has no place for error or injustice, otherwise it would become corrupt. There is no room for either.

Also God is described as a 'consuming fire' - any sin gets burned up in His presence in heaven (or removed as in the Devil and his demons).

The problem is that mankind has inherited the sin nature from our forefather and is none are ready to be in the presence of God on their own.

That's why we need a Savior and that God sent one: The Lord Jesus Christ. He came to pay the penalty of the errors (sins iniquities etc) of folks like us on the Cross. And in resurrecting Himself, He has proven that death and being unable to stand in the presence of God IS NO MORE for folks like you and me.

For He is Worthy of our Love, for doing such for folks like us out of sheer Grace and Kindness.

One must understand the utter Holiness of God and the purity of what Eternity in heaven with God must be. That all human beings are eternal creatures with one of two destinies. The tragedy is that many will chose the worst of the two willfully.

11 posted on 02/16/2014 9:33:19 AM PST by sr4402
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To: olepap
It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would God create us, and then torture us for eternity? Why inflict so much pain? What is the point? To scare us into accepting Jesus Christ? I didn’t get this when I was a kid, and I still don’t get it.

You will be re-educated quickly on how up is down and black is white.

LOL.

13 posted on 02/16/2014 9:54:00 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: olepap

Please don’t blame God. Scripture says it’s His will that no one perish. Anyone who ends up in Hell has chosen to do so.


25 posted on 02/16/2014 11:08:01 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: olepap; Former Fetus; sr4402
It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would God create us, and then torture us for eternity? Why inflict so much pain? What is the point? To scare us into accepting Jesus Christ? I didn’t get this when I was a kid, and I still don’t get it.

Despite the inability of atheists to see it, first, even though higher motives are required for a Christian to follow Christ, appeal to self-preservation is a legitimate means of salvific motivation, thus even in this life it is the threat of punishment which is the base motivation for many in many things.

But while this often may be effectual in bringing a souls to repentance, it is the love of Christ, in response to so great a salvation for so great a sinner at so great a cost, that is to most supremely motivate the believer.

"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:" "And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again." (2 Corinthians 5:14-15)

"We love him, because he first loved us." "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" (1 John 4:19-20)

"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;" "And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour." (Ephesians 5:1-2)

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

Second, God did not create man just to destroy Him, but to be the recipient of His grace and to respond to it, and thus to manifest what is good and evil. This requires that one be able to make choices, and with choices come consequences. And as man is eternal, so are the consequences, and what one does with the Truth given him, which is obeyed will lead to The Truth, Jesus Christ, reveals what he really loves, and where he will spend eternity.

Your post also touches on the issue of how there can be a good God yet suffering in the world, which issue is called Theodicy.

In which my proposals are that God could have,

1. made us (and angels) with no moral sense and or deprived us from the moral ability to respond to or choose good [morally insensible].

2. granted us free moral agency, but never have given us anything to choose between [negation of moral choices].

3. provided moral revelation and influences but always have moved us to do good, and never have allowed us to choose evil (such as make believing in God and choosing good so utterly compelling — like God appearing daily and doing miracles on demand, and preventing any seeming evidence to the contrary so that no man could attempt excuses [effective negation of any freedom to choose].

4. allowed us to do evil, but immediately reversed any effects [negation of moral consequences].

5. allowed us to do bad, but restricted us to a place where it would harm no one but ourselves [restriction of moral consequences].

6. allowed us to choose between good and evil, and to affect others by it, but not ultimately reward or punish us accordingly [negation of eternal moral consequences].

7. given us the ability to choose, and alternatives to chose from, and to face and overcome evil or be overcome by it, with the ability to effect others and things by our choices, and to exercise some reward or punishment in this life for morality, and ultimately reward or punishment us accordingly [pure justice].

8. in accordance with the above, except have manifested Himself in the flesh, and by Him to provide man a means of escaping the ultimate retribution of Divine justice, and instead receive unmerited eternal favor, at God’s own expense and credit, appropriated by a repentant obedient faith, in addition to the loss or gaining of certain rewards based on one’s quality of work as a child of God.

And conversely, eternal punish to varying degrees those whose response to God’s revelation manifested they want evil, while making the evil that man does to work for the good of those who want good, and who thus love God, who is good [justice maintained while mercy and grace given.

60 posted on 02/17/2014 4:20:24 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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