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I thought this noteworthy.

The creation of the modern state of Israel was engineered by new world order financial elites originating mostly in the UK.

Those same elites formed deep connections within the rest of the middle eastern muslim nations, either setting up ruling families or making alliances with them, and in espionage networks.

At around the same time, the middle eastern oil industry was being shaped by the Western oil companies, whose boards of directors and executives consisted of minions of the same US/UK/European new world order financial elites.

The espionage undertaken by the elites, coupled with their minions well-placed in the intelligences services of the US and UK, is also linked into to the terrorism tactics that were employed and taught by British intelligence, which then became the tools of the trade of indigenous factions they spawned. Peaceful development and neighborly unity would have made the middle east much more difficult for new world order to control. New world order always prefers vassals to rule for them who rule autocratically. Thus they fostered networks that could incite terror and war to be able to overthrow rulers easily if they chose to. The constant prospect of war, of course, has the side benefit for new world order that munitions firms under their control do a great business with the nations in the area.

In the post-wWII era, the dominance of the US oil and intelligence interests became clear in the middle east, as the US effectively became the "street muscle" of the financial elites, and new world order's UK military interests ceded much authority and responsibility to their US counterparts. Not to worry, as they both US and UK oil and intelligence are quite thoroughly controlled by what are basically new world order operatives.

Thus new world order has a lever they can use in nations outside of the middle east: the question of which side to support in the middle eastern thesis/antithesis they have set up, the Israel-Muslim confrontation.

It sets up statements like this one

That is unfair and untrue. Conservative Christians are the most likely to support Israel and consider themselves part of the Biblical understanding of "Israel" as a definition for "God's chosen people," with whom Christians were "grafted in."

It is liberal "Christians" who don't believe in Biblical truth, who doubt the divinity of Jesus or the divinity of his conception, who turn their churches into country clubs or extensions of the Democrat Party, and who hold Bible-believing Christians in contempt.

which say you're not a Christian unless you take the side of the modern nation of Israel unconditionally.

This is quite astounding given that if the same requirement was said of the United States, i.e., if you don't take the side of the United States unconditionally then you're not a Christian, most Christians would not accept that requirement as Scriptural.

Obviously new world order knew the Bible when they were setting up the 20th century middle eastern chaos, and the relationship between gentiles and Jews as explained in the New Testament. And all it takes is a subtle misinterpretation to set up the false dichotomy of full support of the modern nation of Israel or you're not a Christian. It's equating - fully equating - a modern national government constituted after WWII with ancient Israel, which is called in the Bible God's chosen people.

A careful and honest reading of all of the New Testament doctrine on the question of gentiles versus Jews regarding what is it to be a Christian reveals the truth. The believing Christian is a believer in Christ, ergo, anyone who is not a believer in Christ is not saved by Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

The "grafted in" phrase is from Romans 11, and one needs to read the entire chapter, if not the entire book, and have a good understanding of the "whole counsel of God" in order that we would properly understand the relationship of the Israelites of the Bible with salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.

Hear the Word of God:

Romans 11

"11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."

The Bible, in truth, makes no other means of salvation than faith in Jesus Christ, which, of course, puts everyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior in the same salvific "boat", headed towards eternal damnation.

The Christian, therefore, can take no sides other than the side of living according to the Bible, God's Law Word, the whole counsel of God. In terms of living with others who are not believers in Christ, it tells us very clearly...

Romans 12:18 "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

Pieter, please take me off your ping list.

...which say you're not a Christian unless you take the side of the modern nation of Israel unconditionally...

I disagree with your interpretation of what I have written. It is true many confuse the nation of Israel as a current political entity with the Biblical concept of Israel as a people under the God of Abraham. I do not make that mistake; however, it is a separate issue from the reason for my post, which was in response to an earlier post blaming "conservative" Christians for despising Jews. It just isn't so, regardless of the profit-seeking machinations of the New World Order.

Well said, my FRiend. Well said.

1. Jews did not Destroy Russia.

2. Men are not capable of such planning. God laughs at their ambitions to “rule the world”. He has since before the tower of Babel.

3. The “New World Order” guys are a legend in their own minds.

“Obviously new world order knew the Bible when they were setting up the 20th century middle eastern chaos,..”

Oh, please!

Historians refer to the Middle East as the Graveyard of Empires. No one can set up chaos like the people who live there; they are the only ones who can change how they believe and the resultant actions on those beliefs.

Have western intelligence agencies actions over the past 50-60 years have an impact on today’s events? Yes. But they haven’t exactly had great controllable results.

Two Washington, D.C., sources stated in 2008 that BHO2 had worked for the CIA in south Asia. Later, a third source in 2009 popped up to make the same claim. I haven’t read anything about such activities on the part of BHO2 since then. BHO2’s personality has made him the perfect puppet, and the New World Order isn’t made up solely of western elites.

So yes, we are reaping the crop of our interfering in other nation’s operations. But what you’ve said is a bit much, as it is difficult to control third world political situations to the extent you’ve described.

Thanks for the ping/posts. Fascinating, educational, informative discussion. Thanks to every poster. BTTT!