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Woman Arrested After Prison Escape 36 Years Ago: PD
NBC San Diego ^ | Wednesday, Feb 5, 2014 | Andie Adams, Lauren Lee and Candice Nguyen

Posted on 02/05/2014 10:36:19 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: 1rudeboy
Seriously, if you wish to change public policy, let's get our legislatures on it.

Practically speaking, public policy HAS been changed. The law is enforced in a very haphazard way in relation to how it is written.

41 posted on 02/05/2014 11:32:51 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: wideawake
That's a common sentiment here. That certain people should be allowed to flout the law.

No, the common sentiment here is that everyone has the moral obligation to flout unjust or stupid laws and to resist overly-enthusiastic Law Enforcement Officers but respect Peace Officers.

(There are hardly any Peace Officers).

42 posted on 02/05/2014 11:33:41 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: nickcarraway
A neighbor who lived next door to Hayman described her as a quiet person who seemed paranoid and kept to herself.

Well, it seems she had good reason to be paranoid.

43 posted on 02/05/2014 11:34:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Oberon
Escaping from prison is a punishable crime, and should be.

Escaping from prison is the duty of every prisoner of war.

If I were locked up for certain stupid things today (like refusing to comply with Obamacare), I would deem myself a prisoner of war and resolve to escape.

44 posted on 02/05/2014 11:40:15 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Rebelbase

“Should I be looking over my shoulder?”

I heard the other day they arresting people in Tx for overdue library books. So, be careful!


45 posted on 02/05/2014 11:41:34 AM PST by jocon307
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To: cherry

Agreed. Utter waste of money for this crime.


46 posted on 02/05/2014 11:41:40 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Ok, so there’s this school of thought named Law and Economics (I’m not patronizing you). The people who favor some sort of expiration-date on convictions/imprisonment should ask themselves, will their proposed “solution” increase or decrease the incentive for people to escape, or not?


47 posted on 02/05/2014 11:42:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: elkfersupper
Escaping from prison is a punishable crime, and should be.

Escaping from prison is the duty of every prisoner of war.

The two statements are not in conflict. :D

48 posted on 02/05/2014 11:48:51 AM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: sr4402

The Huron Valley Womens facility is in Washtenaw county. And wasn’t open 37 years ago. Other than that the information was totally factual.

CC


49 posted on 02/05/2014 11:49:28 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Rebelbase

In the third grade I accidentally took a girls Peppermint Patty after getting our desks mixed up. The PP was supposed to be an award to the student who did the best on a test. I can still see the nun, with the sobbing girl by her side, screaming at the class demanding to know who took Mary’s candy. Think I was going to stand up and admit it? Almost sixty years later, I think that nun (she’d be about 100 years old by now) might still be looking for the culprit. I sleep poorly at night shivering in terror worrying about that vengeful nun.


50 posted on 02/05/2014 11:50:37 AM PST by driftless2
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To: GeronL
We have statute of limitations on stuff, I guess escaping isn’t one of them.

Apparently not. I'm surprised, especially wince the original case was Larceny.

Here's a similar story about a guy who was in the slammer for Burglary, and escaped from a Detroit area jail in 1969. They granted him an "Administrative Discharge" because he's over 80, so no S of L on Prison Escape.

Linky.

51 posted on 02/05/2014 11:54:56 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: nickcarraway

I have to wonder if this is really worth all the expense involved. Unless she waives extradition, a governor’s warrant will have to be done. Then the prosecuting attorney’s office (of the county that sentenced her) will have to pay for either MDOC or the US Marshals to transport her back. I wonder what she stole to make her such a high-priority escapee. Yes, I’ll read the full story..somewhere!


52 posted on 02/05/2014 11:55:42 AM PST by blu (Yes, Virginia, there really are low-information Freepers.)
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To: blu

If I get convicted and sent to prison for trying to steal your dog, will you forgive me after a few years?


53 posted on 02/05/2014 11:58:08 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I don’t disagree that the ideal situation would be reasonable laws that were enforced in a mostly predictable fashion. What I’m saying is that in a complex society like ours, laws accumulate to such an extent that they can’t all be enforced, and many of the laws on the books aren’t all that sensible.

Judges are also supposed to have some discretion. Unfortunately, liberal judges have so abused that discretion that he public cried out for minimum sentencing laws and “three strikes” laws. I agree with these, usually, but the third strike shouldn’t be counted for stealing a loaf of bread.

Finally, we come to our current executive branch. It won’t enforce laws it doesn’t like in the immigration and voting arenas. Why should this woman (assuming she’s kept her nose clean for the past 36 years, which might be a stretch) receive the full weight of the law, when so many do not? Inconsistent application of the laws — unconstitutional on its face — breeds contempt for the law.


54 posted on 02/05/2014 11:59:54 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Oberon

The statute for limitations applies for the time after the crime is committed until the time one is charged.

A prison sentence is not completed until...you do the time.


55 posted on 02/05/2014 12:05:08 PM PST by blu (Yes, Virginia, there really are low-information Freepers.)
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To: GeronL

She won’t be charged for the crime that got her in prison in the first place. She’ll be charged, at the beginning, with this:

750.193 Breaking prison, ...

Sec. 193.

(1) A person imprisoned in a prison of this state who breaks prison and escapes, ..., is guilty of a felony, punishable by further imprisonment for not more than 5 years. The term of the further imprisonment shall be served after the termination, pursuant to law, of the sentence or sentences then being served. A prisoner who breaks prison, ... shall be charged with that offense and tried in the courts of the county in which the prison or penal facility to which the prisoner was committed or transferred is located at the time of the breaking, escape, or attempt to break or escape.


56 posted on 02/05/2014 12:16:37 PM PST by blu (Yes, Virginia, there really are low-information Freepers.)
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To: blu
A prison sentence is not completed until...you do the time.

Yes, absolutely.

However, escaping from prison is also a crime, with attendant prison time typically added to the existing sentence.

While the law requires that the convict return to prison to serve out her sentence, it may be the case that the statute of limitations has run out on her later offense of prison-breaking. I am uncertain on this point.

57 posted on 02/05/2014 12:20:31 PM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Oberon
Yes, under the law, she gets a bonus of 5 years for escaping. She will first have to finish her original sentence, which was 16 months-2 years. All of the preceding info is given without any plea agreements, and they will probably plea some of this away.

BUT, she took a plea for Attempted Larceny from a Building, which probably means she stole property. Because she was sentenced on a plea, we can assume her original charge was Larceny in a Building. I don't know if the original plea will disincline the prosecutor from offering her another plea agreement.

I do see from my good friend OTIS that she had at least 6 aliases...my theory is that some family member or victim that didn't get their restitution has been keeping LE informed on her whereabouts and name changes. Sweet!

58 posted on 02/05/2014 12:26:47 PM PST by blu
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“You’re not paranoid if they really are out to get you.”

Dr. Johnny Fever, 1978


59 posted on 02/05/2014 12:28:18 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 1rudeboy
If I get convicted and sent to prison for trying to steal your dog, will you forgive me after a few years?

Sure, I'll forgive you just as soon as you give my dog back. Me forgiving you for your crime has nothing to do with the state prosecuting and punishing you for it.

60 posted on 02/05/2014 12:31:37 PM PST by blu
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