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To: SampleMan

I ask that you not make definitive statements about me with which you have no idea. I am under no impression. I choose to speak with facts on my side.

You may simply not know that there were democrats at the recent Artivcle V planning meeting in Mount Vernon (December 2013).

You tell me to open the door. Well, I have not only opened the door, I have opened my mind, sat down and spoken with some of the most liberal leaning Democrat state legislators in this country to discuss this issue. And we came away in agreement that this is a viable option to give them too a say in our federal law making regardless of our political philosophy.

That is my basis for this belief. What basis do you have? Your gut?

So far, I have provided you with a well written article regarding the impact of the 17th Amendment. How it created the easy system we have today for special interest groups (ALL OF THEM) to overcome state government objections. Did you read what I gave you?

You have yet to explain your logic regarding your opinion about an Article V State convention process? It seems to be just as you have formed your opinion about repealing the 17th Amendment too? Share your logic not opinion.

You know, people should consider arming themselves with ACTUAL facts rather than unsubstantiated progressive dribble. It makes it appear that they either have a vested interest in the current system (federal lobbyist, federal employee or federal beneficiary) or they have simply bought the Progressive scare tactics without a discerning eye of their own.

Sad really. Many seem to prefer to hide behind the veil of ignorance and scream for a return to constitutional government and feel like the have achieved something over igniting their minds and truly understanding how to get back to that point.

How about you? Interested?


54 posted on 02/01/2014 12:02:27 PM PST by vg0va3
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To: vg0va3
I ask that you not make definitive statements about me with which you have no idea. I am under no impression. I choose to speak with facts on my side.

Speaking to people does not constitute facts concerning what will happen in a future event. You have nothing but your own impression of what might happen. I'm not saying you haven't thought about or have what you think is a solid basis. But don't fool yourself into thinking you have facts about future events, those don't exist.

My basis for thinking that Leftists would be more than happy to get an Article V going? They have proven a solid desire over the last 100 years to destroy individual rights and replace them with group rights. To that end, they have not let intellectual honesty, fair play, or equal treatment deter them.

So, in summary. My best guess of what would happen don't line up with your best guess, because I have never met an elected Democrat in my life (and that is who would attend) who is a defender of personal liberty. I do not trust them, because in the last 50 years they have proven themselves untrustworthy.

66 posted on 02/01/2014 3:18:35 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: vg0va3

The caveat to my statement is that if you show me 38 solidly conservative, Constitutionalist states, then I’ll gladly start talking about an Article V, because then you have a very good idea of what the outcome would be.

The next step however, might be civil war, with a few heavily populated blue states trying to secede. Just an observation, not a reason to avoid it.


71 posted on 02/01/2014 3:56:53 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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