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Why stronger GDP growth isn't creating more jobs
FORTUNE ^ | 01/30/2014 | By Stephen Gandel, senior editor

Posted on 01/31/2014 7:14:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
The government said

...well, there you have it.

21 posted on 01/31/2014 11:01:17 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I don`t think you get it.

It`s irrelevant if past GDP is revised up since we know what the old standard was as in core GDP.

In Obamanomics 101 we now include Imputations,redirections, R&D,etc. R&D counted before as simply final product sales, now it`s double counted. Imputation/redirections are pure works of fiction.

http://www.bea.gov/faq/?faq_id=488


22 posted on 01/31/2014 12:39:58 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

No. You don’t get it. These types of changes have been done for decades. It’s not exclusive to Obama.


23 posted on 01/31/2014 12:53:21 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

How many COMPREHENSIVE revisions to NIPA and the SNA has BEA instituted since 1947.

Never mind, I trust Peter Schiff, FT, The Economist a little more than you,

“ It’s going to look like the economy is getting bigger even though it isn’t. Our GDP is one big lie.”

Not only a lie but it serves the purpose of making debt to GDP ratios look smaller so Statist can spend and borrow more.


24 posted on 01/31/2014 4:01:23 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

PS:

IF comprehensive changes to the NIPA and the SNA “been done for decades” then there would have been absolutely no need to revise the data back to 1929 now would there ?

You`re excused. Run along sport.


25 posted on 01/31/2014 4:10:38 PM PST by Para-Ord.45 ( Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

One of the real human tragedies is the marketing by the Left of the false notion that capital and labor are at odds. Labor cannot function without capital. Capital is the lifeblood of endeavor.

Can you imagine a carpenter without a hammer? Where would he work without money to pay for the work? Both the hammer and the money are capital. You cannot work without it.

How’s the velocity of money, lately?


26 posted on 02/05/2014 11:49:33 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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27 posted on 02/05/2014 11:59:42 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

That down pointing tail is the key to the economic future. I’d like to see it at a monthly scale for the last 12 months. When that turns up...


28 posted on 02/05/2014 1:15:14 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
TTM:


29 posted on 02/05/2014 1:54:18 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: sportutegrl

When they added government spending to the GDP, any net increase in that spending is a rise in GDP.

The fact that that money they are spending is a net drain on real growth in GDP never crosses their minds. Or if it does, they bury it deep and smile big...


30 posted on 02/05/2014 1:56:08 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

That’s what I’m talking about! Thanks. Ping me when it turns upward.


31 posted on 02/05/2014 2:34:52 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Did you get a chance to listen to Fisher’s recent Econtalk?

Here’s a counterpoint. http://thefaintofheart.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/fomcer-richard-inspector-clouseau-fisher-and-his-excellent-rare-book-price-clue-to-proper-monetary-policy/

Where do you fall?


32 posted on 02/05/2014 4:02:42 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Have you seen this graphic from the WSJ?:

It's an awfully short timescale and hard to get perspective.

33 posted on 02/05/2014 4:06:43 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I have not. Sorry my company just released earnings yesterday and I have been swamped with that process. I will take a listen. Thanks for the link.


34 posted on 02/06/2014 5:03:40 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: 1010RD
Bit of a "flight to safety" I assume. Not sure how long it will last. IMHO the economic fundamentals are still strong. The issue is the market has been choked with regulation (Obamacare, EPA, etc.) and it's impacting growth. Earnings growth is still strong. I think the S&P has more room to run:


35 posted on 02/06/2014 5:07:27 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: sportutegrl; SeekAndFind

How about this..... (for part of the growth)

If we assume the economy has plateaued and companies have adapted and learned to operate at the new level, It is not unreasonable to assume that managers can tinker with what they have and develop operating efficiencies.

That tinkering results in positive change at the plateaued level. More output at the current or slightly reduced employment level is growth.


36 posted on 02/06/2014 5:16:12 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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