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J-20 could be as famous as the Zero: Japanese magazine
Want China Times ^ | 2014-01-29

Posted on 01/29/2014 7:58:18 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Although some consider Chinese fighters to be little more than less impressive copies of Russian designs, the J-20, China's first fifth-generation stealth fighter, has the potential to become one of the world's most iconic military aircraft like Japan's Mitsubishi A6M Zero during World War II, according to Aireview, a Japanese magazine covering military aviation news.

Before the Zero first saw action against the Russian-built I-15bis and I-16 fighters operated by the Republic of China Air Force over Chongqing in September 1940, most Western military experts had a similar view of the Japanese fighter as people have towards Chinese fighters today, the magazine said.

Claire Lee Chennault, the legendary leader of the Flying Tigers — a group of American volunteer aviators recruited to help the ROC combat Japanese forces — sent warning to Washington about the threat posed by the Zero at the time, however none of his supervisors believed that Japan was able to effectively design its own plane.

The United States learned first-hand the now legendary capabilities of the Japanese fighter when Zeros wiped out the US defenses at Pearl Harbor and Manila in December 1941. The Zero's performance in the early stages of the Pacific War earned it a formidable reputation. Aireview said China is now developing an advanced fighter which may in time earn a similar reputation.

The article also said Chinese fighters are currently only superior in their numbers but not in quality, adding that without active electronically scanned array radar, China's J-10A fighter is unlikely to defeat Japan's American-built F-15J in a dogfight. The J-10B, the upgraded version of the J-10A, is reported to be equipped with active electronically scanned array radar but China does not have enough early warning aircraft compared to the United States and Japan, the magazine said.

Meanwhile, the Japan Air Self-Defense Force has 17 early warning aircraft and China has 11 — among them, only five are the most advanced Chinese KJ-2000 early warning planes. The People's Liberation Army Air Force and Navy Air Force have around 1,500 fighters, five times the number of Japan, however China would at present still not be able to win a decisive air battle against Japan. However, the article maintained that China will be able to fix these problems in the future.

The J-10B and its successor, the J-20, both have the potential to reach the level of fame as the Zero during World War II, the magazine said, if the Chinese aviation industry is capable of upgrading the aircraft's software. Aireview stated that the J-20, with a large fuselage, is likely to be designed as a long-range multi-role fighter which can also be used as a tactical bomber.

As for the J-31, China's second prototype stealth fighter, its main purpose is to be exported to developing nations which are not able to purchase the US-built F-35, the magazine added.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; japan; russia
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1 posted on 01/29/2014 7:58:18 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Zero was an unarmored, frail POS. Once we had fighters that could maneuver reasonably well, it was shot down like a Sopwith Camel would’ve been.


2 posted on 01/29/2014 8:00:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Didn’t the US have an aircraft like this one (but chose the F35 instead), called the “Black Widow” or something?


3 posted on 01/29/2014 8:02:16 PM PST by Ken522
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Potential, eh?
The Chinese have what they have in technology because of our "friends" the Russians.

I trust that thug Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin [Влади́мир Влади́мирович Пу́тин] like I trusted Josef Stalin.

4 posted on 01/29/2014 8:02:58 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My grandpa used his pocket knife to cut off a piece of a zero that had been shot down over Guam. I saw the scrap. Not sure what ever happened to it.


5 posted on 01/29/2014 8:03:08 PM PST by RC one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To this set of untrained eyes, that plane nevertheless, looks formidable.

Just saying.


6 posted on 01/29/2014 8:05:09 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Zero was an unarmored, frail POS. Once we had fighters that could maneuver reasonably well, it was shot down like a Sopwith Camel would’ve been.

The Zero was excellent and performed superbly. The problem with it was that the Japanese did not rapidly seek a successor.

7 posted on 01/29/2014 8:05:22 PM PST by fso301
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

That airplane is not a Japanese Zero.


8 posted on 01/29/2014 8:06:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. The Zero’s rep was built on it being incredibly light for the engine it had, so it had decent performance. However, again as you note, once the US got planes with good performance into the Pacific, the Zero was badly overmatched.

It’s laughable that the article cites the Zero’s performance over Pearl Harbor, since there wasn’t any effective US air cover for them to encounter seeing as how it was a sneak attack against a force that didn’t know it was even part of the war.


9 posted on 01/29/2014 8:08:16 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: fso301

Pilot training and attrition had something to do with it as well.


10 posted on 01/29/2014 8:08:31 PM PST by Rev DMV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is that not a J-20.

Maybe I misinterpreted your comment.

I do not have a military background, but it seems to me, we are very, very slow to recognize we are building China into an awesome opponent.

Just saying.


11 posted on 01/29/2014 8:09:26 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Little Pig

Some of the same planes that would've fought the Zeros at Pearl Harbor had there been warning did well against the Zeros in China.

12 posted on 01/29/2014 8:11:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: fso301

Zeros offered zero protection to the pilot, so certainly not “excellent” as fighters. US planes had armor in critical areas of the cockpit. Japan eventually ran out of experienced pilots because of the Zero. They even ran out of instructors with experience in combat.


13 posted on 01/29/2014 8:12:08 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Two words: Barack Obama.


14 posted on 01/29/2014 8:12:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Kirkwood

Also lack of self sealing fuel tanks caused the planes to blow up after being hit in the tank.


15 posted on 01/29/2014 8:17:10 PM PST by chrisinoc
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bill Clinton and Loral Corp. Missles, airplanes whose plans came from stolen laptops by agents of the Red Menace.


16 posted on 01/29/2014 8:17:33 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Rev DMV
Pilot training and attrition had something to do with it as well.

Very true. The Japanese entered the war with outstanding pilots.

17 posted on 01/29/2014 8:25:09 PM PST by fso301
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Traitors in the U.S. built up both the Russians and Chinese..
They stole the A-Bomb from US.. and probably any/most other decent mechanical device(s)..


18 posted on 01/29/2014 8:25:39 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: chrisinoc

Yep. Good, nimble platform to shoot from when no one was shooting back at you. But that obviously wasn’t reality.


19 posted on 01/29/2014 8:27:13 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

General Chennault taught his pilots to attack the zero then dive away from them. Never dog fight them.

If the zero dove which for some reason they often did, the old P-40 had them.

They also eventually learned that the zero could only turn well in one direction. If he was on your tail, just dive and turn the way the zero couldn’t.

It did have a tremendous range which was valuable in the Pacific.


20 posted on 01/29/2014 8:31:02 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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