[Para-Ord.45]

Been saying it for decades, the liberty to be licentious.

To the neo-marxist left and many in the GOP, it`s about the only liberty they fundamentally believe in. The rest are privileges to be stripped at their whim.

To libertarians, morals are relative, so if it feels good do it. Who cares if people are sticking needles in their veins on street corners with prostitutes working the high schools tricking for horny teen boys.

[GeronL]

Who cares if people are sticking needles in their veins on street corners with prostitutes working the high schools tricking for horny teen boy

Those prostitutes will be from the middle school

[RaceBannon]

THINGS I WISH I HAD SAID
True Liberty is not license. Those who think as you, sir, pervert liberty, and destroy the fundamental principles that allow a culture to thrive economically. This is the error of libertarian philosophy.

What libertarianism proposes is moral relativism under the pretense of “non-interference.” However, in the final measure, the result is that guaranteed outcome of any morally ambiguous system, which denies human nature and the transcendent truths that govern all cause and effect relationships. In practice the imagined utopia of the libertarian is identical in its altruistic deception to that of atheistic communism; and the outcome is predictable: the destruction of the individual and the corporate body of humanity we call society.

Libertarians think they may advance the cause of “social liberalism” simultaneously with “fiscal conservatism;” but this duality of purpose is folly, and works diametrically and insidiously against itself. The social plagues induced by such novel philosophies invariably drain the public treasury, render the distinctions of absolute right and wrong to ambiguity, destroy public confidence in justice, and dissolve private wealth.

Human society does not and cannot exist in a moral vacuum. A society that having no absolute standards of conduct defers all decisions to the individual, exercising little or no restraint on behavior, abdicates the single most legitimate purpose of the state: to increase the common good and uphold the moral order. To quote Edmond Burke:

“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

-— Letter to a Member of the National Assembly (1791)

A corrupt society, filled with men of licentious inclinations, cannot maintain its economic stability; or do you suppose the folly of the Roman Republic is worth revisiting in our times? “Give us bread and circuses!”

Economics does not transcend moral absolutes. Economics does not trump the Natural Law. History proves conclusively that no immoral or amoral culture can long prosper, nor survive its growing litany of perversions against the Natural Law; for such a corrupt body becomes its own undoing. Unfettered liberty generates unfettered vice.

Vice is not virtue; even if for a time libertarianism may advance a nation’s economic standing, it remains a foundation of sand because it denies the absolute transcendent truth indelibly stamped on the consciousness of every man by He who created all things. God is not mocked.

[indthkr]

"To libertarians, morals are relative, so if it feels good do it.

Those are liberals, not libertarians.

A libertarian would/should say, I have the right to do things, but I accept the consequences of my choices if things go sideways, and most importantly, realize that it's probably not worth the risk in the first place

A liberal simply says, I have the right to do it, and society / somebody else has to absorb the risk for my actions - "I'm entitled to thousands of second chances".

[AnotherUnixGeek]

To libertarians, morals are relative, so if it feels good do it. Who cares if people are sticking needles in their veins on street corners with prostitutes working the high schools tricking for horny teen boys.

While I'm not a libertarian, and think it is ultimately at odds with basic human nature, I do admire the fact that it is the one political philosophy out there which treats grown-ups like grown-ups, and demands that they bear the sole cost for their decisions. For every outcry over "liberty to be licentious", there's a liberal decrying "liberty to be greedy" or "liberty to pollute the earth", and both sides keep long lists of things that need to be outlawed. And the amount of personal liberty to be found keeps on shrinking.

Crimes such as murder and child abuse are clear crimes against others and must be punished by the law. Drinking alcohol and smoking marijuana are acts done to one's self which have a small chance to indirectly result in harm to others (and we as a society have made that risk very clear, along with the punishments). We're better off both as individuals and as a society if we're very judicious about slapping on laws against such things.

[38special]

That’s a stretch.

[FBD]

This is the immoral war on marijuana. An Arizona marine was shot by a SWAT team, over suspected marijuana involvement in his family. He was shot 60 times, with his wife and daughter, in the house. You want to talk about “ immorality”? Let's talk about the States ability to MURDER innocent people, and endanger entire neighborhoods with SWAT team shootings, over marijuana. Not a single stem or seed was found in Guerenas house, and his wife was awarded $3 million dollars. No one was fired or suspended from SWAT.

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