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To: AnotherUnixGeek

While I’m not a libertarian, and think it is ultimately at odds with basic human nature, I do admire the fact that it is the one political philosophy out there which treats grown-ups like grown-ups, and demands that they bear the sole cost for their decisions.


The main argument against “free will” (outside of morality) in America is that government programs subsidize bad behavior and life choices. Therefore, until the government programs are removed and each person truly has to survive on their own merits those who work (make good choices) will pay for the freewill of others (who make bad choices). This is not freedom.

A morbidly obese person in America can receive free housing, food, and health care. Remove the government and they would have to change their lifestyle.

A fornicating drug user receives free housing, food, and health care. Remove the government and they would have to change their lifestyle.

Career criminals are provided for while incarcerated and provided the same when free to commit more crimes. Remove the government and society would remove them permanently. A career of crime would end the life of the criminal.

Single mothers no longer require a working father because government has removed the consequences.

The lazy are paid to be.... lazy.

Etc - etc.

I was raised by parent’s who told me “actions have consequences”. This is no longer true in America. Libertarians promote an argument that ignores reality.

My neighbor’s life-choices in the United States impact my life because government and society hold us both in the same web. The choices of one affects the other as he and I both travel on the same roads, but only one of us pays for it. His refusal to work raises my taxes. His refusal to care for himself raises my health care costs.

The old ways before government programs were very effective. Families (traditional) took care of family members. Each person receiving help had to face those helping him/her each and every day. The pressure existed to shame others to make good choices.

Our redistributive government destroyed the traditional family and removed the moral pressure to contribute. Meanwhile, modern libertarians are stuck on legalization as some kind of mythical path to freedom?


51 posted on 01/26/2014 12:43:27 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: volunbeer
"I was raised by parent’s who told me “actions have consequences”. This is no longer true in America. Libertarians promote an argument that ignores reality.

Liberals undoubtedly have no concept of cause and effect in the real world, or more likely, simply don't care. There are also a lot of people who claim to be Libertarians, but for all intents and purposes, are essentially Liberals.
54 posted on 01/26/2014 1:17:03 PM PST by indthkr
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