[cloudmountain]

If you think the sweet and trustworthy doctors and nurses you’ve met who’ve been treating you for years will be the ones making medical decisions you haven’t been paying attention to the whole obamacare debacle at all. You will never meet or even know the people who will decide whether or not you are worthy of any medical treatment. Even an aspirin. The sweet and trustworthy doctors who’ve been your health custodians all your life? They won’t have any say in the matter. Drones with the attitude of Sebelius ‘some people live, some people die’ will be making those decisions. People who seek employment in those particular jobs because they love control over other people.

Sounds like you've convinced yourself how things are done, nothing and no one, especially you, can to anything about it.

My family actually DID make their own decisions about things.
*I was there when the doctors asked my husband what he wanted to do. He told them and it all happened like he wanted.

The same with my father and mother. They died at home in bed, like they wanted to.
**My father had long time heart problems from WWII malaria.
***My mother died at 94; her heart just finally stopped.

The only one who died suddenly was my sister...of a brain aneurysm, like my maternal grandmother died. There is no predicting aneurysms. They both died quite suddenly.

I'm sorry that you have had to deal with such a sorry group of medical people. Terrible for you.

[Black Agnes]

Your past medical decisions and their genesis will bear nothing on those in the future.

I’m sorry you simply don’t understand that.

What do you think Obamacare was about?

I say again. The medical people who treat you will have nothing to do with these decisions. Neither will you. Should they provide care for you that hasn’t been approved by the medical decisions board (probably in DC) they will be censured. They have mortgage payments, car notes and student loans to repay.

The medical care you received in the past will be nothing like that which will be available in this country going forward.

I have had *excellent* care in this country. I have also lived in countries with socialized medicine, excellent care is few and far between there. ‘Excellent’ care will become a thing of the past here as well.

Why do you think Canadians come here for chemo and heart surgery? Because they weren’t ‘approved’ for it in Canada.

We will still be allowed to die at home if we choose this. We will not be able to ‘choose’ to get an epidural for labor and delivery, we will not be able to ‘choose’ to receive a mammogram after age 65, or kidney dialysis after age 60. If you break your hip at 65y and 1d you will have to crawl on a plane to another country to have that fixed.

Or, I suppose you could die of a broken hip at home. Plenty of older women did 100 years ago.

Only the politically connected will have modern health care. It will be circa 1900 for all the rest of us.