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1 posted on 01/22/2014 5:38:40 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I dispute premises #1 and #2.

It is NOT warming, and it is NOT my dang fault.

2 posted on 01/22/2014 5:43:48 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Kaslin

One thing that I have noticed is that the more of those damn “wind farms” they put up, the worse these storms are. I think the windmills are causing all of this bull****.


3 posted on 01/22/2014 5:55:18 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: Kaslin

If we cause warming, how can we make it get warmer today?


4 posted on 01/22/2014 5:56:13 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Kaslin

The very best rebuttal to global warming hysterics is to demand that they present a negative case, that does not use circular logic.

Simply put: “Using measurable conditions, what would we see if global warming was *not* taking place? If you were utterly wrong, what would prove it?”

The MMGW hysterics are *desperate* to avoid naming *any* condition that could prove them wrong. They want the idea of MMGW to be magical, not scientific, in character.

They insist that MMGW is “proven” by everything, extremes and means, highs and lows and all in between, with religious fervor. MMGW means that they get power over others and wealth; more government control and the restoration of an elite over “the masses”.

‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ — Humpty Dumpty, in Through The Looking Glass

Man Made Global Warming is like that. It is, precisely because they say it is, evidence notwithstanding. And those who disagree are evil and to be damned, and oppressed if at all possible. It is just another snake cult, led by wannabee Thulsa Dooms.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 5:57:24 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Kaslin

This sums up my feelings on the issue exactly. I am not a “Denier”, whatever that really means, but I am a skeptic. What I DO deny is the scare mongering and the catastrophism of the Left and this subject. Its the greatest attempted power grab EVER.


6 posted on 01/22/2014 6:00:01 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: Kaslin
Meanwhile, this is what the enviro-left really wants:

Green Capitalism: The God That Failed

But this means that, so long as the global economy is based on capitalism and private property and corporate property and competitive production for market, we're doomed to a collective social suicide - and no amount of tinkering with the market can brake the drive to global ecological collapse. We can't shop our way to sustainability, because the problems we face cannot be solved by individual choices in the marketplace. They require collective democratic control over the economy to prioritize the needs of society and the environment. And they require local, reigional, national and international economic planning to reorganize the economy and redeploy labor and resources to these ends. I conclude, therefore, that if humanity is to save itself, we have no choice but to overthrow capitalism and replace it with a democratically planned eco-socialist economy. [emphasis mine]

7 posted on 01/22/2014 6:04:33 AM PST by dirtboy
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I also think 1. is likely wrong, and 2. is definitely wrong.

What I want to know, as a technical/scientific type of guy, is why some physicists haven’t simply compared the amount of heat that comes to the earth from the sun per year, and compare it to the amount of heat generated by man?

It seems to me that the amount generated - in total - by man would have to be the tiniest fraction of what comes from the sun.

And even idiots know that the heat output from the sun varies.

What am I missing? Yeah, greenhouse gases trap heat, but how much? And where’s the proof that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?


11 posted on 01/22/2014 6:11:21 AM PST by Arlis
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#1 and #2 are both lies... I quit reading this tripe when they opened with a lie.


12 posted on 01/22/2014 6:37:12 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Kaslin
as people get richer and use more energy, they pollute more. The opposite is true. As nations industrialize, they pay more attention to pollution

This is absolutely the case. Hard to care about pollution when you don't know where your next meal is coming from.

13 posted on 01/22/2014 6:41:05 AM PST by wbill
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just sayin'

14 posted on 01/22/2014 6:41:37 AM PST by tomkat
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There’s a meeting of world “leaders” in Davos today...Their topics are world economics and Global warming. ..
They want total control!


17 posted on 01/22/2014 7:06:31 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Kaslin
The other night we watched the National Geographic show about that baby wooly mammoth found in the permafrost of Russia. It's thought the animal died there nearly 40,000 years ago.

One of the researchers traveled to the area where it was found, now a place so cold that snow covers it for 3/4 of a year.

Said scientist wondered why a wooly mammoth would be that far north in such a harsh climate. He reckoned that during the time of the animal's short life, the area was a steppe and the moderate climate supported all sorts of animals no longer with us.

Without missing a beat, my 13 year old boy stated that it must have been warmer back then and that the climate change to colder weather there ultimately had a hand in the extinctions of many animals that depended upon area.

I'm glad something so obvious is understood by my son, and that the man-caused climate change b.s. being thrown at him in school is going in one ear and out the other.

I later told my boy that I'm going to lobby for a government funded grant to study how long ago T.Rex was killing all those cute polar bears which then forced the smart penguins to swim from the Arctic to the Antarctic for their safety. He laughed and said that sounds about as real as humans causing the earth to warm.

18 posted on 01/22/2014 7:08:09 AM PST by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: Kaslin

Stop it, Mr. Stossel!

Feeding them FACTS only enrages them!


20 posted on 01/22/2014 7:43:04 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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I have a theory. I have no evidence to support it whatsoever, but I CHOOSE to believe it:

The ban on atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons spelled the beginning of the end for all humankind.

The particulate matter such testing spewed in to the upper atmosphere was helping to keep global warming at bay.

Following the ban, it took more than 50 years for the positive effects of atmospheric nuclear testing to dissipate; but now that they have diminished to near zero the planet will be so hot as to be unlivable by the year 2050. If want to save the earth we MUST bring back above-ground testing of nuclear weapons!

That is my theory. I LOVE my theory. I shall entertain NO arguments against it, no matter how factual they may be, and no matter how much evidence to the contrary is presented!

23 posted on 01/22/2014 8:08:12 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas, and according to geologic record it increases in the atmosphere 400-800 years AFTER the warming.


24 posted on 01/22/2014 8:09:42 AM PST by Thom Pain (If you like your country you can keep it. Period.)
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The world has real problems, though: malaria, malnutrition, desperate poverty. Our own country, while relatively rich, is deep in debt. Obsessing about greenhouse gases makes it harder to address these more serious problems.

Which, of course, is exactly what the liberals want to do. They would rather rant about climate change than explain how they plan to deal with the national debt or Obamacare.

36 posted on 01/22/2014 1:22:01 PM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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38 posted on 01/22/2014 7:11:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Kaslin

Good points. We can’t really do anything about greenhouse gases without draconian measures. And we shouldn’t really try to. If there is any warming, or sea level rising, whether it be of natural or man made causes, we should adapt.

So far, we haven’t see anything like what the models predict.

Don’t give up your freedom to a bunch of liberals who want to rule the world. They’re not half as bright as they think they are.


40 posted on 01/22/2014 8:00:47 PM PST by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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” We can love nature and still hate the tyranny of bureaucrats’ rules.”


41 posted on 01/22/2014 8:03:36 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Carbon dioxide is plant food. The more of it we release into the atmosphere, the easier it is to grow more food to feed humanity.


45 posted on 01/23/2014 9:28:26 AM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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