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AVIK ROY is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a former health policy adviser to Mitt Romney
1 posted on 01/17/2014 3:43:32 PM PST by lowbridge
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There is no conservative case for socialism. Respect and abide by the constitution.


36 posted on 01/17/2014 5:07:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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The health systems of Switzerland and Singapore are partially subsidized by the American consumer. In fact nearly ALL so-called universal systems in the world are subsidized by us. How so? By purchasing pharmaceuticals and medical devices(of which over 60% are developed here) from the US for a fraction over cost then having the American consumer make up the ‘profit’ difference. Wonder why we aren’t allowed to re-import drugs and devices at world prices? If we could, most of the world’s ‘free’ systems would implode due to increasing costs or increasing rationing or both. I doubt other countries want to see the US go to a ‘single-payer’ system unless of course our taxes pay for our system and continue to subsidize their’s.


37 posted on 01/17/2014 5:11:00 PM PST by yadent
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Eliminate the FDA and get the government completely out of medicine.

Make everyone responsible for their own medical care.

If you can’t afford it, lie down and croak!


40 posted on 01/17/2014 5:15:29 PM PST by dalereed
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Switzerland does something right.
My understanding is.

concerning non(or expired) patented drugs.
SW gives a price list to drug companies,
they agree to the entire list,
or do not do business in the country.

no more hospitals dispensing Tylenol
at $36 a pop.


41 posted on 01/17/2014 5:18:59 PM PST by RockyTx
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Swiss public spending on health coverage is 60 percent lower than America's. If we had the Swiss system, we wouldn't have a budget deficit and we'd have no single-payer health entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid.

What are their policies on end of life care? About half of your lifetime medical expenses are spent in the last year. Add a government "death panel", a refusal to pay "unreasonable" efforts at delaying death (however the insurance company defines unreasonable), or even a society which accepts that life has come to an end and allows old people to die at home with family rather than attached to very expensive machines which go "ping" and you can drop national medical expenses. I don't like the idea of either a government or insurance bureaucrat deciding it is time for me to go, especially if they decide that they could save half by restricting medical care in the last year they could save even more by restricting it in the last five or ten years.

43 posted on 01/17/2014 5:20:32 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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Both of those places

A) Benefit from R&D subsidized from the ability to monopolistically charge for items/pharmaceuticals here.

B) Have a far lower freeloader to productive person ratio.

C) Have a lot few people than here.


47 posted on 01/17/2014 5:38:26 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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I can already tell this statist is Globalist, Free Trader, Statist, Anti-Soverignty, and a whole mess of other things not Conservative.

Even the liberals in Socialized Medicine nations know Socialized Medicine does not work. And we have BOTH PARTIES in the US pushing ObamaCare


51 posted on 01/17/2014 6:29:33 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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The more you look at healthcare, the more you realize that the less government intervention, the better. The poor should have some sort of safety net, but that’s it. Prices will go down if people have to pay for it themselves.
Lets face it, if people could take better care of themselves, nutrition was emphasized, and governments didn’t try to sabotage health by putting fluoride in the water, pushing vaccines with aluminum, mercury, SV40, and formaldehyde, and labeling GMO foods, we would all be a lot healthier.


53 posted on 01/17/2014 7:29:34 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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Hmm.. and another big question no one seems to be answering.. How many new drugs/treatments/etc have been developed within Switzerland or Singapore? How many in the US?

Small summary from 2010:
http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/11/09/where_drugs_come_from_by_country.php

And about a third of the way down the page you have some tables:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry#Research_and_development


54 posted on 01/17/2014 7:55:12 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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I don't hear of too many US citizens flying to Singapore and Switzerland to have their surgeries.
55 posted on 01/18/2014 1:34:26 AM PST by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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Insurance companies ought to be forced to have reserves equal to 100% of their liability. The same with banks and casinos.


58 posted on 01/18/2014 5:30:25 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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There is NO case for “universal” health insurance coverage!!! EVER!! IT is NOT an inalienable right and therefore, there is NO case for it.


62 posted on 01/18/2014 10:55:48 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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I lived in Germany for a while in the mid-90's: my wife & I paid about $60 month for coverage (including dental), with no subsidies.

I like the German system:

a) every employer and employee pays a share of the insurance costs proportional to the hours worked (you don't gain by slashing your employees' hours);

b)The unemployed and those on the dole (which isn't much these days) participate in the same plans and the cost is paid by the government;

c)You can only sue for malpractice if a medical review board finds malpractice, and compensation is limited to pain and suffering (since you're already insured) and is capped on a tight sliding scale-- if your lawyer asks for more than you get, the difference is deducted from any fees awarded.

Germany doesn't have a 'welfare' system-- it has a national insurance system based on real actuarial figures-- not some ratbag lying politician promising you everything for "free".

A system like this here would mean no more outrageous malpractice lawsuits, no more insurance companies wasting unbelievable amounts of time and money trying to make someone else pay, a uniform or at least proportional cost across the country for employers, etc.

Medical savings accounts might work if they were mandatory (a la Singapore) and if Americans could earn enough to pay for them, but the German system seems like a good way to keep a lot of the better parts of the American system while fixing the worst parts.

66 posted on 01/18/2014 2:02:09 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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The writer makes a good point about the systems in Singapore and Switzerland. Their systems are very different than those of the U.K. or Canada.


69 posted on 01/14/2015 11:49:17 AM PST by grundle
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