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To: Albion Wilde
Another ad-hominem to start your comment? That makes it difficult to continue, but the truth is I'm just trying to calm down a lynch party that is ready to convict a guy that hasn't gone to trial yet and all the information we have has been from a biased media and the prosecution, yet I and most like minded posters are met with open hostility.

I didn't pick a fight with you, I hope you aren't taking it personally. I'm sure you are a perfectly decent person and I'm not making any personal attacks against your character or intelligence, I'm just pointing what I believe to be an error in your logic.

My only point here thought the entire thread that we don't know the truth either for or against the accused. We have only been presented one side of the story by a media with a known agenda. Once the truth comes out it could very well support self defense and there is no reason to believe otherwise at this point. Aren't you even a little skeptical of the media at this point? How many obvious and overt lies do we need to catch them at before the general public wakes up.

No I am not a 911 "truther".

539 posted on 01/16/2014 6:36:38 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus
Those who can't stand up to a debate by defending their points without attacking others personally or without feeling attacked, will find it tough going on FR. So my advice is to avoid the word "you" when responding to another post, and avoid trying to characterize their statements as logical defects in their thinking, and things may go better. It's easier to debate the points than to assess another's ability to make them.

Our troubles started with post 52, in which you said

You carry a pistol for self protection. Someone in the theater is texting on a phone, you ask them politely to stop and they go off on you. You go and speak to the manager. When you come back the guy won't let it go, he is getting more and more irate, words get more and more heated, then he throws his bag of popcorn at you. What do you really think is going to happen next? Do you think he's suddenly going to come to his senses, apologies and offer to pay your dry cleaning bill? Throwing the popcorn was a clear escalation of force that went past a rational tipping point, the next step was going to be physical, even the aggressors wife was trying to hold him back. The elderly man clearly suspected what was going to happen next. He wasn't afraid of the popcorn, he was afraid of a younger and stronger man getting his hand on him before he could deploy his legal, and rational, means of self defense. It might not have happened this way but it could have.

Implicit in this post is the idea that throwing popcorn or speaking insultingly is grounds to shoot an unarmed person frontally in a public place, if we accept the reports to date that no punches were thrown. I simply cannot buy that. It truly isn't a rational response. If someone is irrational, move away and call the usher, or the real cops, or brandish your weapon but don't shoot unless you see a weapon. Or don't go back to the same seat behind a moron -- any number of other responses than blaming the guy you shot for making you do it -- that's the rape defense men used before courts came to their senses -- she looked so sexy, I had to rape her!

No one is trying to lynch anyone. And I'm really done trying to convince you otherwise.

544 posted on 01/17/2014 7:00:34 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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