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To: optiguy; P-Marlowe; narses; little jeremiah; scripter; Girlene; onyx; jazusamo; Frumanchu; ...

According to many, this is the basic question we must answer in a compelling manner:

How does Mary Bishop and Sharon Baldwin being married hurt me and my marriage?

My one line answer is: Gay marriage makes my culture more dangerous.

Is there a better answer than that?

Of course, we could reject the above question as the basic question.

Tony Perkins, of the Family Research Council, doesn’t seem to accept that as the basic question. He said, “(this judge) is substituting his own ideology for the three-quarters of Oklahomans who voted to preserve marriage in their constitution as it has always been defined.”

He sees it as perhaps: “Why should one ideology rule over another?” (That could be framed better.)

While I think he is right, that approach hasn’t gotten any traction over the last decade or so. But, it that reason to give up on that approach.


46 posted on 01/15/2014 5:44:42 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

They may be able to get married but they will never enter the bounds of Holy Matrimony.

They are married to their sin.


48 posted on 01/15/2014 6:07:27 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: xzins

I think the best answer is this…..because this is also the correct libertarian position (tho many libertarians don’t accept it.)

Marriage is a contract, and it meant certain things as hundreds of millions of people entered into that contract. There is no way all of those millions of contracts should be changed post facto by a perversion of the very definition of those contracts.


52 posted on 01/15/2014 6:17:13 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: xzins
It's a complex situation where I don't think a one line answer is sufficient. I usually reference the following: And more.

I think it's important to note the same-sex attraction isn't a choice most make, although there are some who admit to choosing the lifestyle. If it's not a choice and there's no evidence homosexuals are born that way, it's easy to see where people get confused. It's a complex subject.

64 posted on 01/15/2014 7:18:28 AM PST by scripter
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My one line answer is: Gay marriage makes my culture more dangerous.

My answer to my sons and their college aged friends is we are either a Godly people, or we are just like every other animal on the planet. You can't have it both ways.

As I see it homosexual marriage is a dangerous threat because it is ungodly and helps to establish a "you can do anything you want" mentality.

Unfortunately, what I'm seeing is the demise of western civilization and a shrinking of Christian numbers among the industrialized economies.

82 posted on 01/15/2014 2:49:36 PM PST by wmfights
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To: xzins
According to many, this is the basic question we must answer in a compelling manner: How does Mary Bishop and Sharon Baldwin being married hurt me and my marriage?

No, it isn't - they must answer how two women can be joined as husband and wife.

92 posted on 01/17/2014 10:36:17 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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