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Saudi letter concerning oil and gas has panicky tone
Toronto Sun ^ | Jan. 11/14 | Ezra Levant

Posted on 01/12/2014 6:00:03 AM PST by Dartman

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To: quantumman
Oil is still king of the roost in terms of political power and the power it gives to the House of Saud in terms of their ability to maintain power in the Arabian peninsula.

Yabut...wouldn't a couple of direct hits solve that problem?

61 posted on 01/12/2014 1:46:44 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: meatloaf
With natural gas comes soil.

Really.

I thought they were always talking about how clean it is.

62 posted on 01/12/2014 1:50:53 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: kjam22; SunkenCiv; nuconvert; gandalftb; TigerLikesRooster
The Saudie’s can make a profit at about $35 per barrel. You can’t find and produce shale oil for that price. No way.

That is true, but

Bank of America Merrill Lynch says its preliminary spending projections for 2014 place Saudi Arabia’s fiscal breakeven oil price at $85 a barrel.

http://www.arabnews.com/news/504756

So, just push the price below $80, and we will get rid of the Russians as well (they need > $110)


63 posted on 01/12/2014 2:45:24 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Dartman

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2013/0415/How-oil-exporters-reach-financial-collapse


64 posted on 01/12/2014 2:47:47 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Yeah.... that number is an economic number stated for the Saudi economy. Not the economics on the comodity. Who knows what the real Saudi economy economis are ....?


65 posted on 01/12/2014 2:56:49 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Typo: substitute oil for soil.


66 posted on 01/12/2014 3:17:07 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Dartman

We attacked the wrong Arab country. Iraq was never the threat, Saudi Arabia is.


67 posted on 01/12/2014 3:20:19 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: kjam22

Natural gas is a potential oil price killer. Other than setting up the infrastructure nation wide, the technology already exists to use natural gas or a multi-fuel setup of either natural gas or gasoline for vehicles. Anything that diminishes the demand for gasoline means less demand for oil. As some point countries will be forced to pump and sell more oil to support their social programs. The world would see an oil glut. Prices would have to move lower.


68 posted on 01/12/2014 3:23:20 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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Maybe. You know... I'm retired from Chesapeake Energy. These guys were leading the charge for converting the auto industry to NG. Its affordable and would be a great deal for our economy, at the existing prices. I'm not sure anyone has really modeled what happens to NG price with that type of demand increase.

I agree that the ability to produce shale gas and oil has greatly increased our national reserves. But these wells deplete quickly and most often don't have the reserves per well as traditional wells. The cost is several times that of producing traditional type wells. At one time Chesapeake had an $8 break even price on the Shale gas in the Ft Worth play.

Chesapeak and Aubrey McClendon pioneered this technology. They were the #1 champion of domestic oil and gas and the potential to eliminate the need for Saudi oil. I've seen hundreds of presentations about it etc. I'm just saying.. NG is $3.5 today. It would not be anywhere near that if all the cars and trucks burnt it for fuel. It's all the same for producers. Burn more, and we'll produce more at the right price. But for the economy its a different matter.

69 posted on 01/12/2014 3:36:26 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: meatloaf

Disclaimer... I was in oil and gas marketing for 20+ years.


70 posted on 01/12/2014 3:39:50 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Lurker
We attacked the wrong Arab country. Iraq was never the threat, Saudi Arabia is.

Agreed.

71 posted on 01/12/2014 3:44:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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No, they have made tremendous strides in developing industry. The oil money was used to capitalize all sorts industrial companies.

I do not know what you mean by eating the seed corn but don’t think it applies.

The assumption that there can be near instantaneous transition from near nothing to a high percentage of value added oil and other manufactured products is rather foolish.

They have only been hard at it for about 30 years or so.


72 posted on 01/12/2014 4:02:24 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

Yeah.... the idea that we’re going to bankrupt the Saudis with Shale oil is really a stretch.... In my opinion.


73 posted on 01/12/2014 4:06:14 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

We can probably count on prices moving up as new generating stations powered by combustion turbines come on line. IIRC, gas prices spiked in the nineties due to increased demand from electric utilities.

I’m thinking that will happen starting two years from now which is the build time for one of the units.


74 posted on 01/12/2014 4:07:53 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: AdmSmith

Very good article. Lays it out so anyone can understand, but have to wonder how some of those countries didn’t see it coming. Then again, maybe they did and there was nothing they could do about it. Thanks.


75 posted on 01/12/2014 4:15:08 PM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: meatloaf

Two years huh. Ever looked at the forward NG strip? Comodity pricing? If you really believe NG is going to go up dramatically in 2 years you are pretty much alone when compared with the comodity market. The issue is that most plants are multiple fuel. NG prices were at all time highest prices 5 or 6 years ago. And NG priced itself out of the market. Power generation switched to alternate fuels... like coal etc.


76 posted on 01/12/2014 4:16:14 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: dfwgator; Lurker
We attacked the wrong Arab country. Iraq was never the threat, Saudi Arabia is.

Agreed, again. The Saudis have never been our friends. Ever.

77 posted on 01/12/2014 4:21:26 PM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: Dartman

And frankly who cares about Kuwait, they are just as bad everyone else in that region, that just act friendlier when they need help.


78 posted on 01/12/2014 4:22:53 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

The only time we have friends in that region (besides Israel) is when we are spending our money or resources.


79 posted on 01/12/2014 4:24:59 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Dartman

That is biased, bigoted drivel with no basis in reality


80 posted on 01/12/2014 4:33:57 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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