[Sherman Logan]

‘’there has never never been a political group, or a human for that matter, that was all bad OR all good’’<< Does that include Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party? Or Barack Obama and the Democrat Party?

Sure.

Hitler and the Nazi Party. Opposed various indisputably destructive trends in modern art and literature. Put programs in place to prevent cruelty to animals (cruelty to humans was another matter), and protect the natural environment. Opposed the spread of Communism. Provided millions of jobs to the unemployed. Greatly expanded infrastructure. Promoted science and technology. Gave people somethng to believe in. Taught Germans that class differences were unimportant. Promoted equality of rights for all nations. Insisted that citizens' interests be considered before that of foreigners. Provided for care of the elderly. Provided higher education to all Germans, if capable.

Most, although perhaps not all, of these things are in themselves goods.

Now, obviously, the way such policies were implemented often turned theoretical good to practical evil. And such goals were often ignored in practice.

Obama and the Democrat Party? Do you seriously believe every single goal and policy of this party is inherently evil? Or does the purported good simply come at too high a cost or create other problems?

I think it is scary when people believe their political opponents are irretrievably and 100% evil. Such a POV leads in the long run to the notion that the only way to deal with such people is the way we dealt with the Nazis. Military defeat, unconditional surrender and deliberalization (to coin a phrase).

That may perhaps turn out to be necessary, but I can guarantee you the country after such a process won't be one any of us want to live in.

[jmacusa]

Sorry Sherman, not buying it on the Nazis. They had no moral authority to speak on anything. They were in fact directly responsible for a six year cataclysm humanity barely survived and the perpetration of one of history's most monstrous crimes. Had they prevailed the subject we're discussing would be moot to say the least. If you're going to list ‘’good’’ things the Nazis did then you would have to include the results of some of the horrible medical experiments they conducted on confined, unwilling and terrified concentration inmates. You don't need Lucifer to tell you fire burns. As to the Democrats(of which I once was) I'll say their intentions might be good but they're historically short on positive results and Obama is no democrat. He's a Marxist-socialist and a thug.