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To: Dick Vomer

Nope, wrong on all counts, have excellent veins when the right size starters are used. Only small veins are in my hands, rest are normal for my weight all of 117 lbs. I’ve never had trouble when I have same day surgery as they use small IV starters. And all they were doing in the ER part was getting blood to test for infection, before doing a IV solution. Regular IV solution was done by the up stairs nurse, with the antibiotic piggy backed into the IV line. No need for the large starters, I was not dehydrated, nor bleeding. Bad Colon infection is all. The to large starters ones were all they had on hand is their statement.

I’ve used this facility before and they always matched IV starter size to vein size and did not blow veins. And they did not give me squeeze balls as they use to do. They just blew all the arm veins they could normally use.

A central line IV solution piggybacked with the Zoysin for the infection. The ultra sound was to find the last arm vein, I was well hydrated from 2 IV solutions when the 4th vein blew from the to large starters, he found it before he used the ultra sound machine, by feel, did not get the ultra sound out until it started to roll. Only one that ever has rolled and he found it.

Other hospitalizations for surgery never had issues with the IV starters and blowing veins.

I had just had a routine Upper GI 2 weeks before, no trouble with blowing veins, established it on the first stick, regular starters used. Nor do I have fragile veins.


22 posted on 01/06/2014 11:14:41 AM PST by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: GailA
Hate to break it to you, but there is no "too large starters". The needle that is used comes to a point and the plastic slides into the vein and dilates the veins up to a point. If you're an adult sometimes 16 gauge needles can be used in the arms. Trust me, I know.

I'm confused by your story. You had "Regular IV solution was done by the up stairs nurse, with the antibiotic piggy backed into the IV line " for "a Bad Colon Infection". Then you say you already had a central line, a peripheral IV line and were getting Zosyn . If you had a peripheral line with IV fluids with piggy backed abx and a central line with IV Zosyn (an antibiotic) they may have been worried about having to give you long term antibiotics and were starting what's called a "pic' line.

Just letting you know that if you have a "bad colon infection", your NOT well hydrated. Because the antibiotics like Vanc or Zosyn or INvanz or Teflaro or whatever need really good renal clearance and the medical people there were probably trying to save your kidneys due to the "just" bad colon infection. If you get septic from your infection and drop your blood pressure you're going to need tons of IV fluids and Lev'em Ded pressor which chews up peripheral veins and causes fingers, toes and stuff (like the meat on your arms if the peripheral IV leaks) to fall off because it's so effective at increasing your blood pressure by squeezing arteries.

I just get tickled when sometimes people don't realize that medicine is sloppy and iatrogenic injuries are NOT uncommon. If they missed some IVs, well that's bad, but at least they didn't just say.."yeah, I think its in and start running the meds in" hoping that they MIGHT have gotten in. It seemed like they cared enough to get lines in place that you just may have needed.

If they are using sono to get peripheral lines, it sounds like they at least have the latest technology.

But if you don't like them, then write a letter to the head of the department and your physician telling them your concerns and I'll bet that they at least try to explain the "too big starter" thing to you.

23 posted on 01/06/2014 11:56:16 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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