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To: fatman6502002
We’ve just begun to fight, lets not lose it before we give it a chance.

If Romney had won, if Romney had been in office these past years, we would have lost it. I've done my due diligence on the guy. Sorry if it doesn't connect, but ... Romney would have advanced every single agenda of the left. Perhaps you aren't aware of his real stance and direction on the gay agenda, government-run health care, the environment, abortion, judicial activism.

Limited government conservatives would have been cut off at the knees. Leftism would make a quantum leap. We'd have lost so much ground it would lead to a shooting war with the next Democrat president, who would make Obama look palatable, the same way Obama made Hillary look like nothing.

If Republicans elect a leftist liberal big government amoral president, who would hold the balance of power being supported by the left and thereby enact horrors along the line of Nixon's EPA, the Republican "brand" would be even more of a joke than it is now.

I've been voting R all my life with naive confidence that I was voting in principle for limited government. Instead, it has come to me being asked to vote for a person who has advanced intrusive, tyrannical government into every avenue of American life, from homosexuality to health care. That's what Democrats vote for.

This time around, it would take a miracle to revive the very bad and very much deserved mess of an image that "Republican" means to Joe Blow Americans. That image is of a craven weenie hypocrite blowhard sell-out elitist. I loved Dubya but -- fatman, Dubya allowed all kinds of crap on his watch that one could say set the stage for Obama!!!!

The Republican brand is so tarnished that at least for now, for this presidential if the "Republican" is just another Democrat the same way Romney was --

-- then unless we upset it bigtime with a plurality to put liberalism on defense (had Romney won with a plurality, and ONLY then, he would be much more vulnerable and so would leftism in the Republican party), we will lose bigtime either way.

You ridicule my conviction that in real-world terms, Romney would have been a major disaster. Oh well!

71 posted on 01/08/2014 12:04:19 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I didn’t ridicule anything, I just disagree with you. But if that’s what you consider ridicule then yes I am guilty as charged. I happen to believe you’re wrong about Romney, in fact he made several statements during the campaign that he was not for any kind national health care, that he believed in Federalism and that states should be free to find their own solutions to problems. Hmmmmm that sounds to like Romney has a very good understanding of, and support for our Constitutional Republic as founded. Something Obama, whom you helped elect, does not. He also stated that the reason he went along with the Massachusetts state health care was because as Governor he heard from his constituents, i.e., the people of Massachusetts, that that kind of solution is what they wanted. Having said that, Romney was not my choice. My choice would have been any of the Tea Party candidates that were running but none of them survived the primaries. You must understand something, I deal with the world as it is and situations as they present themselves and attempt to take the best possible course of action given the actual circumstances. We must make decisions based upon reality, not how we wish things were. Had Romney been elected, I do not believe any of the doomsday scenarios you presented would have come to fruition, but with obama reelected and not restrained by having to seek reelection as he was in his first term those scenarios might just play out. I only say to you that we must think in strategic terms devoid of the emotional response you displayed in your last post, emotion based strategies will not win us our Republic, but they will certainly lose it in the long run. History shows this to be true, you can either accept what history teaches us or you can stick your head in the sand and keep pretending that a candidates who you don’t agree with 100% are never worth your support. In politics you will never get to vote for a candidate whom supports what you want 100% unless you’re the candidate. The sad fact, and this is the reality of life now intruding upon how you wish reality was, is that politics is always, has always been, and will always be a choice between the lesser of two evils. That is the real world of electoral politics. You can either understand and accept that fact or you can continue you’re strategy of not voting for the best candidate that has a chance to win or you can continue to elect people who continue to tear down our Republic. You sound like the third invention of Invar, reasonable until someone shows just how easy it is to poke holes in your emotion based arguments and then you start calling names. You have no idea what Romney would have done because he did not get elected thus, reality again sets in, and one realizes all you have are guesses and no one has a crystal ball capable of seeing what would have happened. but that shows the childishness of your last argument and yes that is meant as ridicule of your emotion based claims.


72 posted on 01/08/2014 8:19:14 AM PST by fatman6502002
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